monkfish
pfm Member
Has there ever been Labour leader that people liked, even among Labour supporters.
Wilson, Smith, Corbyn.
Has there ever been Labour leader that people liked, even among Labour supporters.
In fairness Starmer will be busy working on his excuses for losing Batley & Spen on the 1st.
“A dull grey dog ate my dull grey policies”
“Sadam Hussain & Bashar Al-Assad’s mate the cat impersonator was just too much competition”
etc.
Why did he attract record crowds wherever he went then? At least he did attract record crowds until the Labour Party ratcheted up their sabotage of the Labour Party.But don't forget Corbyn was only likeable in a Worzel Gummidge way. We (the people) mostly found him a bit odd and a lot foolish.
Ed Miliband was very likeable. Nice bloke. Even if he failed to convince the people that he had the leadership skills needed to become PM, nobody could dislike Ed.
But he does have a proven track record of successful communications. He led Liz Kendall’s leadership campaign, and got a decisive 4%Well, at least Starmer seems to have learned the lessons of the last year and has finally started to let go of the zombie Blairites he'd surrounded himself. This is a real opportunity to draw from a wider pool of talent with more recent exp....Wait, what?
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1407783054115020805?s=20
But don't forget Corbyn was only likeable in a Worzel Gummidge way. We (the people) mostly found him a bit odd and a lot foolish.
Yes, the real point is that the anti Corbynistas have now got exactly what they went to war for, and despite the outcome, are still fighting the same battleSadly "we" the people weren't listening, except to the gravy train socialists (grauniad), the "hard right" media (pretty much everything else) and Laura Kunsberk (sic). Those who paid much attention could see he was the only chance of a better and fairer country. The others really didn't have a clue.
Similarly the general public didn't warm very much to Attlee in spite of the huge achievements of the post war Labour govt. Most seem to prefer charisma, for all that's worth.
No, that was not what was just said, it was in fact the very opposite, but never mind.Yet more Corbyn as the saviour rhetoric; I always felt he was a complete fraud.
Hasn't he just appointed one of Blair's old comms boys?Well, at least Starmer seems to have learned the lessons of the last year and has finally started to let go of the zombie Blairites he'd surrounded himself. This is a real opportunity to draw from a wider pool of talent with more recent exp....Wait, what?
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1407783054115020805?s=20
Why did he attract record crowds wherever he went then?
That was my feeble gag. Starmer seems able to recruit only through a tear in the fabric of time.Hasn't he just appointed one of Blair's old comms boys?
First of all everything you say is quite true, but what is demonstrably not true is the suggestion that Corbyn was not popular. At certain points he was very popular, popular enough to come very close to winning a general election in 2017 despite having to fight against his own party. Of course, the Labour Party doubled down on it’s efforts to destabilise the Labour Party and Corbyn’s popularity undoubtedly fell, but let’s be clear, it was an unpopularity engineered, manufactured and sold by the Labour Party itself.This is an exaggeration. For example, he did not attract record crowds when he went to Sainsbury's. And he did not attract record crowds when he went to the toilet.
He was (very) popular with a (very) small section of the British public who are enthusiasts about left-wing politics. And because they are enthusiasts, they go to rallies to watch and cheer people like Corbyn. Unfortunately, such people don't seem aware enough to understand that the majority of the public at large are not enthusiasts about left-wing politics.
I suspect that at Glastonbury and footie matches, etc, the crowds of people who joined in the Corbyn chants just got caught up in the mood. It was a bit of fun. They didn't really mean it.
Sure, nothing happened. All business as usual. Nothing less unusual than thousands of young people joyfully chanting the name of a Westminster politician, happens all the time.This is an exaggeration. For example, he did not attract record crowds when he went to Sainsbury's. And he did not attract record crowds when he went to the toilet.
He was (very) popular with a (very) small section of the British public who are enthusiasts about left-wing politics. And because they are enthusiasts, they go to rallies to watch and cheer people like Corbyn. Unfortunately, such people don't seem aware enough to understand that the majority of the public at large are not enthusiasts about left-wing politics.
I suspect that at Glastonbury and footie matches, etc, the crowds of people who joined in the Corbyn chants just got caught up in the mood. It was a bit of fun. They didn't really mean it.
Sure, nothing happened. All business as usual. Nothing less unusual than thousands of young people joyfully chanting the name of a Westminster politician, happens all the time.
Jeremy was indeed very popular, but not popular enough.