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That is very much what Labour are doing with endless focus groups, but Labour’s failure is that it still hasn’t produced a coherent messageHow about asking people what they want instead of telling them what they’re going to get?
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The problem with focus groups, I suspect, is that they're not getting a coherent enough message from them to be able to develop coherent messaging of their own. Successful political parties are not businesses. They don't respond to a market. They should be looking to invent one.That is very much what Labour are doing with endless focus groups, but Labour’s failure is that it still hasn’t produced a coherent message
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Absolutely, whether the Tories live up to their promises is one thing, but the fact remains, they’ve sold the promise, a promise based of leftish economics, rather well. But then the those in control of Labour have always been embarrassed by leftish economic policy to the extent that the downplayed it and finally abandoned it for the Tories to pick it up and run with it.It remains to be seen how much they’ll spend on “levelling up”. It will turn out to be another vacuous slogan from Johnson’s gag writers in No.10 because Sunak will regretfully have to announce the cupboard is bare at budget time. All the money- hundreds of billions- went to friends and family in the VIP Lane and there’s nothing left.
I had always assumed Labour was intended to be a centre-left social democratic party. I’m not this is actually true though as in my lifetime it is been remarkably authoritarian and nationalistic. A failure too, remember only Attlee, Wilson and Blair have ever led it to power in 120 years of existence, yet they seem too dumb to grasp it is a systemic problem and to campaign to change it. There are always some very good MPs lurking on the back benches, but there is always something quite ugly about the party too. It is part of the same archaic Westminster establishment that is resisting all calls for real democracy and accountability. It is as much part of the problem as the Tories to my eyes.
Is that what might be termed ‘Long Corbyn’?The current political landscape is a-typical what with Covid and dynamic Brexit (thus allowing the government to hog the headlines). And then there is the long-tail of previous Labour management (an issue that popped up in Hartlepool).
It remains to be seen how much they’ll spend on “levelling up”. It will turn out to be another vacuous slogan from Johnson’s gag writers in No.10 because Sunak will regretfully have to announce the cupboard is bare at budget time. All the money- hundreds of billions- went to friends and family in the VIP Lane and there’s nothing left.
That is what is being hinted at I guess, though Corbyn won Hartlepool in 2017 by 20000 and in 2019 by 15000 votes.Is that what might be termed ‘Long Corbyn’?
The mission continues...We’re ready to help when you’re ready Brian but your people need to 1. get out and vote and 2. not vote Tory.
Brian they’re the north east/ wider red wall voters who either don’t bother to vote or voted Conservative last time. If we could get them voting and not voting Conservative then I firmly believe that together we ( the Scots) and Labour England could form a better, fairer, left of centre government like the one I already enjoy.The mission continues...
Who are ‘my people’?
I think I’d prefer a centre-left coalition government to a Labour majority at the moment. Particularly if it included the ‘nationalist’ parties for the devolved nations, ie SNP and Plaid, as that would help ensure the specific needs and interests of these regions stayed front and centre in Government. That would both benefit the broader ‘levelling up’ objectives, while also reducing the social pressure for actual independence. Labour should find common cause with these parties, not rule it out because of the superficial optics.Brian they’re the north east/ wider red wall voters who either don’t bother to vote or voted Conservative last time. If we could get them voting and not voting Conservative then I firmly believe that together we ( the Scots) and Labour England could form a better, fairer, left of centre government like the one I already enjoy.
Your last few have been more amusing than usual as you try hard to take the piss but it’s not working.Brian they’re the north east/ wider red wall voters who either don’t bother to vote or voted Conservative last time. If we could get them voting and not voting Conservative then I firmly believe that together we ( the Scots) and Labour England could form a better, fairer, left of centre government like the one I already enjoy.
Back in the real world though, we have a tory govt and your dream isn’t going to come true anytime soon, certainly not in our lifetimes and maybe not even ever. One of your favourites blew a great chance to chancege UK politics for the better in 2010.No way in hell would I want to see a Labour majority. I’d much prefer to see the LDs, Greens, PC, SNP etc as part of a coalition making a case for a less authoritarian and more democratic/accountable politics than Labour believe in. We need voices other than Lab/Tory to be heard.