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How would you vote in a General Election?

How would you vote in a General Election?

  • A Brexit Party (Brexit, UKIP)

    Votes: 22 11.6%

  • A Remain Party (Liberal Democrat, Green, SNP, Change UK, Plaid, Sinn Fein, SDLP, Alliance)

    Votes: 123 65.1%

  • The Labour Party

    Votes: 35 18.5%

  • The Conservative Party

    Votes: 7 3.7%

  • Other (Raving Looney, DUP etc)

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Total voters
    189
ff1d1l said:
In the same way the tory gammon hark back to a mythical perfect time somewhere between the nineteen-fifties and Moggs seventeen-fifties, corbyn is of the opinion that perfect democracy only occurred on the 23rd June 2016, all manifestations since being simalcrums and to be spurned.
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I’m not an expert on Corbyn’s opinion, I don’t know the man so you may be right, you may be wrong. Has he told you this?

I don’t understand how the tory mindset works at any point in time, let alone Mr Mogg.

I haven’t heard much harking back in time. I think most tories are mainly interested in remaining at the trough while cutting as much as possible from the less well off. Why are you planning to help them do that?
 
russel said:
Merely pointing out that I would expect an intelligent person to look at the negatives as well as the positives and an unnecessary war with lots of dead, lots of homeless people that cost an awful lot of money is quite a big negative, YMMV of course.
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Don't worry. You can vote for those nice Liberal Democrats instead.
 
thebiglebowski said:
Sometimes a govt has to make a decision that goes against the majority or that people don't like, especially when anyone with an ounce of sense is saying that Brexit will be a disaster for the economy and jobs.

The original referendum was a stupid grasp by Cameron but I'm unclear as to why a majority of turkeys voting for thanksgiving means it has to happen.

If Corbyn had an ounce of sense he would be saying this but he wants Brexit so is staying quiet in the hope this chaos results in a GE that he wrongly thinks labour would win.
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I agree with the first paragraph. The tories are in govt, not Labour.

The second is a fine example of how remainers would help the leave campaign if there is a second referendum.

It is entirely correct for Labour to push for a general election.
 
ff1d1l said:
Oh yes...frequently. He hasn't told you?
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No. Next time you see him wish him good luck, repairing the split in the UK is no easy task. First step is securing a GE, so he’s on the right lines.

Probably best not to let on you’re intent on helping the tories though. :D
 
thebiglebowski said:
The original referendum was a stupid grasp by Cameron but I'm unclear as to why a majority of turkeys voting for thanksgiving means it has to happen.
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I think it is called democracy.... but you may not like it.

But if Labour do win a General Election and the Tories say " we see that the majority voted for Labour but we don't see why it has to happen " you can come out in wholehearted support of the Tories view of democracy.

Or not.?
 
ff1d1l said:
In the same way the tory gammon hark back to a mythical perfect time somewhere between the nineteen-fifties and Moggs seventeen-fifties, corbyn is of the opinion that perfect democracy only occurred on the 23rd June 2016, all manifestations since being simalcrums and to be spurned.
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I have some sympathy with the content. But labelling those who disagree with you as processed meat is not likely to help with anything tbh.

Sooner or later, be it the 40% of American voters who will agree with Trump no matter what, or the 30-35% of UK voters who now, actively want a no-deal Brexit, we will have to listen to these people.
 
Tim Jones said:
I have some sympathy with the content. But labelling those who disagree with you as processed meat is not likely to help with anything tbh.

Sooner or later, be it the 40% of American voters who will agree with Trump no matter what, or the 30-35% of UK voters who now, actively want a no-deal Brexit, we will have to listen to these people.
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Er...no... they're barking. Sex & travel for them.
 
Tim Jones said:
I have some sympathy with the content. But labelling those who disagree with you as processed meat is not likely to help with anything tbh.

Sooner or later, be it the 40% of American voters who will agree with Trump no matter what, or the 30-35% of UK voters who now, actively want a no-deal Brexit, we will have to listen to these people.
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"These people" have been courted, coddled, goaded and fluffed by first one of the main parties and then both for 40 years. The Tories built a politics around them. They are not exactly under-represented. The media and political classes are still reeling from Corbyn's suggestion that we might listen to somebody else for a change, which I suppose helps explain this kind of rueful, philosophical attitude towards appeasing the very worst traditions of Tory reaction. It can't be easy watching the best that your party has to offer competing to hump the legs of vindictive old bigots, but no one who is not a Tory is under any obligation to indulge them.
 
Seanm said:
"These people" have been courted, coddled, goaded and fluffed by first one of the main parties and then both for 40 years. The Tories built a politics around them. They are not exactly under-represented. The media and political classes are still reeling from Corbyn's suggestion that we might listen to somebody else for a change, which I suppose helps explain this kind of rueful, philosophical attitude towards appeasing the very worst traditions of Tory reaction. It can't be easy watching the best that your party has to offer competing to hump the legs of vindictive old bigots, but no one who is not a Tory is under any obligation to indulge them.
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Virtue-warming indeed Sean. I'll ask again - what parallels are there in modern politics to comparing those with whom you disagree to processed meat? It's a stupid self-indulgent meme.
 
Looks like Labour preparations for a GE are going well.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...sted-by-labour-mps-in-worst-meeting-as-leader

MPs inside the private gathering said there were surprise interventions from colleagues who had never before spoken out against Corbyn, including Lloyd Russell-Moyle and Marie Rimmer.

The parliamentary Labour party (PLP) meeting came amid anger about how Corbyn’s office had handled harassment complaints against two senior Labour figures, as well as an investigation into antisemitism by the equalities watchdog.

One MP leaving the committee room said it had been Corbyn’s “worst meeting in his time as leader” – including those that led to the vote of no confidence in him. “He did not even seem to acknowledge there were difficulties, from Brexit, to sexual harassment, to antisemitism.”

It's only the Guardian and those Tory enablers Rimmer and Russell-Moyle making trouble, Len can rest easy.
 
Tim Jones said:
Sooner or later, be it the 40% of American voters who will agree with Trump no matter what, or the 30-35% of UK voters who now, actively want a no-deal Brexit, we will have to listen to these people.
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It was Cameron who said to his MPs “think of the headlines in the Daily Mail”, well they did and look where it’s got us. Labour with its spin management are not entirely blameless, they listened far too much to Murdoch, a headline that sells tomorrow’s newspaper most likely will not solve the problem a year down the line.
 
Brian said:
No. Next time you see him wish him good luck, repairing the split in the UK is no easy task. First step is securing a GE, so he’s on the right lines.
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We had a GE secured for next year.

Brexit has screwed that up.

There won’t be one until 2022 now unless some Tories self-destruct. Which, as you frequently point out, is unlikely.

Stephen
 
Tim Jones said:
Virtue-warming indeed Sean. I'll ask again - what parallels are there in modern politics to comparing those with whom you disagree to processed meat? It's a stupid self-indulgent meme.
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It racialises racists, and it's perfectly fine, and even if it weren't it would be a whole lot less offensive than spinning a Boris Johnson leadership win as a regrettable but necessary exercise in listening to the people, which is what you're transparently laying the groundwork for here.

Now, what parallels are there in modern politics to dismissing anyone you disagree with as virtue signalling? Well, it's not really a parallel, is it - it's just a straightforward borrowing of an alt-right meme. Interestingly I first came across the term here, when you started using it. I keep an eye on these things so I'm pretty sure you were an early adopter. I can see why: it's the carpet bomb of ad hominem strategies, allowing any criticism of regressive ideas to be treated as a personal failing of the critic - no need to defend the indefensible, then!

The genealogy is interesting: first used, apparently, by James Bartholomew, radical Conservative, Spectator journalist and... tireless advocate of NHS privatisation! Which of course is not a thing, and anyone who says otherwise is virtue signalling.
 
stephen bennett said:
We had a GE secured for next year.

Brexit has screwed that up.

There won’t be one until 2022 now unless some Tories self-destruct. Which, as you frequently point out, is unlikely.

Stephen
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How was the General Election, originally set for next year, screwed up by brexit? I think it had something to do with the tories calling a GE in 2017 on the back of polls that suggested a huge tory majority. Incidentally, such polls were presented as fact by the usual suspects here, who are once again relying entirely on polls to support whatever is their latest anti-Labour slur. Well, although not enough to gain a Labour majority, thank goodness Labour was able to prevent a tory majority and the hard brexit you would now have.

I've never said anything about tories and self-destruction. Perhaps you can show me where I said even once it is unlikely they will self-destruct, let alone said it frequently?
 
SteveS1 said:
Looks like Labour preparations for a GE are going well.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...sted-by-labour-mps-in-worst-meeting-as-leader

MPs inside the private gathering said there were surprise interventions from colleagues who had never before spoken out against Corbyn, including Lloyd Russell-Moyle and Marie Rimmer.

The parliamentary Labour party (PLP) meeting came amid anger about how Corbyn’s office had handled harassment complaints against two senior Labour figures, as well as an investigation into antisemitism by the equalities watchdog.

One MP leaving the committee room said it had been Corbyn’s “worst meeting in his time as leader” – including those that led to the vote of no confidence in him. “He did not even seem to acknowledge there were difficulties, from Brexit, to sexual harassment, to antisemitism.”

It's only the Guardian and those Tory enablers Rimmer and Russell-Moyle making trouble, Len can rest easy.
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Conservatives imploding, unexpected by-election win... Time for some previously loyal supporters to wet their pants in public!

But uh boss Marie Rimmer supported Yvette Cooper in the first leadership contest and Owen Smith in the...

Stick to the script! We have to work with what we've got!
 
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