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Hifi News Review of Naim Statement

merlin said:
I wonder what the Julian Vereker of the 1970's would have thought?
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We always get this comment when a new Naim product is discussed. JV would have absolutely loved it, as powerful power amps was where his heart was. When the 500 was nearing completion, even though he was terminally ill, he had the first 3 running his active DBLs.
 
IanW said:
I am not sure that being reminded is a good thing!

I get reminded when Cliff Patterson brings it up once a year....
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I am kinda putting the bits back as we speak. 15 years ago is a long way to remember. This is why I photograph everything, unless I have verification, I cannot trust if what I remember is real.
 
CliveGrace said:
I really think the naim statement is not statement-y enough.
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I'm guessing they will gold plate it or provide a mirror finish if the prospective client asks for it.

I think the statement is there and I think that statement is "it's NOT just about the music anymore".

If it really ever was. There are many who would claim otherwise.
 
The plastic light strip in the middle is totally something I would do. I guess it needs a Supercap to get it to change colour in time to the music?
 
I've heard the Statement a couple of times now and the results sounded indistinguishable from the results that might have come from many other brands of Swiss or US made electronics and speakers.
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That's interesting, because when I heard it (not at a show) it sounded exactly like every other Naim amp I've heard since Olive. I thought 300-500-Statement were about even jumps. Silly power output and struck me as an amp in search of a speaker - but there's nothing new in that either.
 
I don't get this "silly power output" thing.

Have people got any idea how much power is required to generate realistic levels with an average sensitivity loudspeaker in a large living room?
 
merlin said:
I don't get this "silly power output" thing.

Have people got any idea how much power is required to generate realistic levels with an average sensitivity loudspeaker in a large living room?
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50w max from 2 Ncores and some relatively efficient speakers running 95-100db. That's from wall measurements.
 
merlin said:
I don't get this "silly power output" thing.

Have people got any idea how much power is required to generate realistic levels with an average sensitivity loudspeaker in a large living room?
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Not too sure oligarchs or plutocrats live in the same world as some pfm members but kudos to Naim for being willing to supply them with product that meets their specialised requirements.
 
Your loudspeaker sensitivity is 89db/w but uses a 4 ohm bass unit so in reality is generates around 87db at 1m for 1 watt.

Now sit at 4 meters and listen at realistic levels to an orchestra in full flow.

What power do you think you would need to do that dtd, and equally importantly can your speakers handle that?

Obviously most of us do not listen at realistic levels, but if you are going to sell a simple amplifier for the price of a three bedroom semi then I think you would expect it to be capable of doing so.
 
Apologies, I did re-read and update the question above. I have a low gain system so 100db is the max I'm going to get out of my setup, at which point I really struggled to get past 50w max from both ncores, measured from power outlet. Peak!
 
Required power is an interesting subject... With fairly efficient speakers/average size room/volumes you can get away with without SWMBO/neighbours complaining it's usually far less than most think... 10WPC will suffice for 80% of people for 90% of the time (did you know that 38.5% of statistics are made up on the spot!?).

There again... large room, not so efficient speakers and the requirement for genuinely realistic volumes from totally uncompressed source material can need many hundreds of Watts for brief peaks.... even if the average power is still only 20WPC or so...

Many will be thinking "no shit Sherlock?" but I have often heard people who play at quiet levels in a small room and don't need any more power than 10WPC ask me "do you reckon I should upgrade from this 50WPC amp to the 150WPC version to get more control and dynamics?"..... NO!
 
dtd said:
A few watts above idle if I'm lucky, if my Ncores and Usher Mini Dancer 2 DMDs are anything to go by. From wall measurements....
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Really?

That is an 89 dB for 1 W at 1 m. speaker. If we take standard listening levels of 85 dB average with 20 dB peaks and a listening distance of 4 m then for clean peaks that would require the speaker to produce 85 + 20 + 12 = 117 dB at 1 m. The power required would be 2^(117 - 89)/3 = 645 W.

Now there is some room for argument with the assumptions but the requirement for hundreds of Watts for clean transients is normal.
 
h.g. said:
Really?

That is an 89 dB for 1 W at 1 m. speaker. If we take standard listening levels of 85 dB average with 20 dB peaks and a listening distance of 4 m then for clean peaks that would require the speaker to produce 85 + 20 + 12 = 117 dB at 1 m. The power required would be 2^(117 - 89)/3 = 645 W.

Now there is some room for argument with the assumptions but the requirement for hundreds of Watts for clean transients is normal.
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As corrected above, I read realistic as "<80db". Wall measurements are showing just 50w (combined amps) max at 100db@1m, but I'm sure the Ncores are transiently delivering more than that when required.
 
The new cables that have come out off the back of the Statement seem to be selling like hot cakes.
Its quite amusing that Naim have not even plugged them for use in there other systems.
Just letting those who choose to listen ? get on with it.
 
Well, I have to admit, I've never seen a 4Kva Toroidal Transformer in a piece of HiFi before.

I hope it doesn't hum.
 
When I say silly power output, I mean a rather odd number of watts and a horsepower rating that sounds contrived.

Hot cakes Barry. Right. Most people did wire a while back.
 
h.g. said:
Really?

That is an 89 dB for 1 W at 1 m. speaker. If we take standard listening levels of 85 dB average with 20 dB peaks and a listening distance of 4 m then for clean peaks that would require the speaker to produce 85 + 20 + 12 = 117 dB at 1 m. The power required would be 2^(117 - 89)/3 = 645 W.

Now there is some room for argument with the assumptions but the requirement for hundreds of Watts for clean transients is normal.
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Within a normal household room you can ignore (it makes little difference) the inverse square law affect as you will be sitting in the reverberant field unlike if you were outside in the garden.

My own speakers have a sensitivity of 87dB/1W/1M. I have two so that gives 87+3dB=90dB for 1W@1M. If I want dynamic peaksoft 125dB (I do I do I do!) then the amp has to provide an undistorted extra 35dB = 3162W!

My amps each weighing in at 42Kg can give 1600wpc into 4 Ohms (an estimated 2600W into 2 Ohms)........... Sounds great. They can even give a peak output current that exceeds that of Naims statement amp.

My speakers are a nominal 6 Ohms but spend most of their time in the treble region at around 2 Ohms.

Cheers,

DV
 
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