Brexit was the key. Whatever your view of the EU the damage caused by particular Brexit we did is immense and long-lasting.
General Election 2024
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Tony L
Administrator
Agreed. I’m now absolutely convinced Brexit was bought and sold by elites to keep crown tax havens open and preserve the UK’s place as the centre of global money-laundering. The price was economic viability and social cohesion for the rest of us. They got what they paid for.
I’ve linked this movie before, and will do so again here as it is a very well researched analysis and explanation of how UK tax havens and international money laundering works. It was made back in 2017, long before things really went off the rails. If anything that makes it stronger as I don’t think it even mentions Brexit. Those dots can easily be drawn later by the viewer by researching who funded Brexit and where their money is.
It really is worth an hour and eighteen minutes of everyone’s time. Highly recommended.
ff1d1l
pfm Member
Death threats are too lenient for gove and anyway with his cocaine fuelled invulnerability he's not bothered. We need to threaten something he is, like taking his coke stash away.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
I almost feel for traditional old school Tory members who must look at the party and wonder how it came to be run by the current load of absolute loonies.
I'm very glad to hear you won't be canvassing in support of this lot Mick.
It would be nice to think the direction of travel would be towards the centre but the bookies choice for next leader is still Kemi Badenoch - self-proclaimed nemesis of wokism...
I suspect 2029 will be a lot closer - simply because the country is in such a mess that whatever improvements Labour achieve over the next few years is likely to fall short of people's expectations.
Tony L
Administrator
Professional racist Nigel Farage is currently on Trevor Philips’ Sky show being a professional racist. An unashamed fascist.
PS I’m no fan of Trevor Philips, this show was way better with Sophie Ridge IMO, but he’s allowing Farage to come across as a real piece of shit. Just staggering degrees of racism.
PS I’m no fan of Trevor Philips, this show was way better with Sophie Ridge IMO, but he’s allowing Farage to come across as a real piece of shit. Just staggering degrees of racism.
Del monaco
Del Monaco
It’s so predictable.
I have a very good ex-Navy friend who is true blue through and through. Maggie is one of his idols, long time member of the party and all that. Not my politics by a long chalk, but there you go. Anyhow I have seen him go from trying to defend some of the nonsense prior to the pandemic to being utterly disgusted by the various pandemic scandals and how it was handled to being downright seething over the direction the party has travelled since (Johnson, May, Truss, Sunak). Resigned his membership in 2021, said he should have done so long ago and is now tactically voting to get them out. If they can't retain the support of people like him they are ****ed! Thankfully
ff1d1l
pfm Member
Don't you understand that that's because of central government reducing funding? How are they supposed to pay for services if theres no money? Bankrupt themselves?
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
+1
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
The problem is that Labour are attracting Thatcherites by adopting Thatcherism.I have a very good ex-Navy friend who is true blue through and through. Maggie is one of his idols, long time member of the party and all that. Not my politics by a long chalk, but there you go. Anyhow I have seen him go from trying to defend some of the nonsense prior to the pandemic to being utterly disgusted by the various pandemic scandals and how it was handled to being downright seething over the direction the party has travelled since (Johnson, May, Truss, Sunak). Resigned his membership in 2021, said he should have done so long ago and is now tactically voting to get them out. If they can't retain the support of people like him they are ****ed! Thankfully
hifinutt
hifinutt
Its not because of gov funding , its because they messed up constantly on equal pay issues and made a hash of IT systems
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Good on him. I don't really understand how anyone sensible could retain their membership. I guess, as Mick's post suggests, they think "things can only get better"...I have a very good ex-Navy friend who is true blue through and through. Maggie is one of his idols, long time member of the party and all that. Not my politics by a long chalk, but there you go. Anyhow I have seen him go from trying to defend some of the nonsense prior to the pandemic to being utterly disgusted by the various pandemic scandals and how it was handled to being downright seething over the direction the party has travelled since (Johnson, May, Truss, Sunak). Resigned his membership in 2021, said he should have done so long ago and is now tactically voting to get them out. If they can't retain the support of people like him they are ****ed! Thankfully
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Local Government funding has been cut
“Spending was 25% lower in real terms in 2019/20 than in 2010/11.[31]
In local authorities with social care responsibilities, their spending on social care rose from 52% to 80% of their spending power.
Services that saw spending reductions between 2010/11 and 2019/20 include:[32]
- cultural and related services (–36.8%)
- planning and development services (–35.7%)
- non-schools education (–31.6%)
- housing services (general fund revenue account only) (–25.7%)
- highways and transport services (–23.6%)
- central services (–16.4%)
- environmental and regulatory services (–10.”
Yes, me neither. He's a genuinely decent person actually, does a heck of a lot for the community so much so he was awarded an MBE for his efforts... he is also seething over the UK government and Starmer's stance on Gaza... we bond over that when we meet up for a coffee and put the world to rights.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Labour are not an alternative for any meaningful change
Agreed, but in this particular instance due to Labour's stance on Gaza I think my friend is going to find it hard to vote for them. I think a tactical vote where he is is for the Lib Dems anyway.
Ponty
pfm Member
I have a very good ex-Navy friend who is true blue through and through. Maggie is one of his idols, long time member of the party and all that. Not my politics by a long chalk, but there you go. Anyhow I have seen him go from trying to defend some of the nonsense prior to the pandemic to being utterly disgusted by the various pandemic scandals and how it was handled to being downright seething over the direction the party has travelled since (Johnson, May, Truss, Sunak). Resigned his membership in 2021, said he should have done so long ago and is now tactically voting to get them out. If they can't retain the support of people like him they are ****ed! Thankfully
The current Labour Party is closer to the ‘old school’ tory party than the current tory party. Which is why they will form the next govt.
gez
pfm Member
Oh tosh. Plenty of right minded people would just decide to call it a day in such circumstances, anyone that claims they wouldn't is just being disingenuous. I don't believe for a second that the vast majority of people, if given the option to retire in their mid sixties wouldn't jump at the chance.