Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
Harsh but true.
General Election 2024
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SteveG
pfm Member
Do you think Labour or the Tories would have done any better?
Not a chance but that’s not the point the SNP promised independence but once they got their feet under the table they gave up and just paid lip service. None of those other parties promised independence so it’s a moot point.
SteveG
pfm Member
There isn't any chance an independence vote would be won at the moment, so surely it's just best to get on with government for now.
Somafunk
pfm Member
I wasn't aware we actually had to qualify statements, that's going to royally **** the labour/tory gubbins
Rather than type out as my hands arnt working well today here's this to read, and a couple of falsehoods to please those that dislike snp
fact check snp
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
Still missing my point. I said upfront that it's up to you who you vote for. My only point was that as typed your vote for SNP implied that your choice was based entirely on self interest.That's all.
There isn’t a chance of independence now because the SNP don‘t want it and neither do the other parties but voting for an independence party should make independence a possibility in the near future so we’re back to the status quo here.
The SNP should have done what Sinn Fein did in the north of Ireland ie refused to sit in Westminster I mean they could have forced the issue with nearly 60 MPs refusing to take their seats instead they’re heading north again with fewer MPs in effect they’ve cut their legs off.
They’re a bunch of sh!tebags who are happy to take the money.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes. We should remember that what Liz Truss promised was growth and to get there she promised Tax cuts, a bonfire of red tape and extra subsidies.
Sound familiar?
The only difference is that Truss promised to fund it from borrowing, whereas Labour are promising austerity, not explicitly maybe, but it is the only option left after the other two have been ruled out. There is no alternative.
Truss’s mistake was calling the Treasury rude names. No such thing from Reeves’. She’s their girl.
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Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
@ Somafunk:
To expand... I have always voted in what I believe to be the best interests of the whole population. It follows that I have NEVER voted Tory.
That said, as a Pensioner, and home owner with no mortgage or other debt.. I reckon I could construct a passable 'personal interest' rationale for voting Tory, based on the maintenance of the triple lock..Savings interest.. etc..etc...
But I wouldn't...
That was my only point.
To expand... I have always voted in what I believe to be the best interests of the whole population. It follows that I have NEVER voted Tory.
That said, as a Pensioner, and home owner with no mortgage or other debt.. I reckon I could construct a passable 'personal interest' rationale for voting Tory, based on the maintenance of the triple lock..Savings interest.. etc..etc...
But I wouldn't...
That was my only point.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
No, but that’s not the point imo. The SNP’s raison d’etre is Scottish independence. The
Sturgeon cabal squandered the goodwill and enthusiasm that abounded in 2014. The 2014 referendum campaign started with support for independence in the region of 20 odd % and elevated it to 45%. The Sturgeon/ Murrell dynasty completely failed to capitalise on that, deliberately disavowing the huge popular movement on the streets, preferring to pursue a more humane, right-wing, pro-business stance.
They should be judged on their own merits and in relation to how far they furthered the cause of independence, not how much better they were than the Tories: a spectacularly low benchmark against which to measure any achievement. The sad unravelling of the Sturgeon era indicates that the leadership are not that far removed from the self-serving lice in Westminster. I mean, do they really think John Swinney and his Wee Free homophobic and economic Thatcherite deputy are the answer to their problems… come on!
SteveG
pfm Member
I'm no fan of Kate Forbes but still think the SNP are a better option than the Tories or Labour.
There will be a significant swing away from the SNP this time, partly self inflicted and partly from an understandable demand to get rid of the Tories at almost any cost.
kensalriser
pfm Member
The pollsters have put a lot into discounting phenomena like this in recent years. But as a commentator put it the other day (I forget who), people tell pollsters who they like rather than who they will vote for. I'm very sceptical that the Tories will get any less than 100 seats and I'm equally sceptical Reform will get more than one or beat them on percentage of the vote. There's an awful lot of febrile commentary at the moment, but once Election Day comes many, many people will revert to type.
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gavreid
Pretty Words...
Labour is set to win comfortably. However, the sorts of algorithms they're using to project poll responses to seat numbers just haven't been tested in that extreme. I would treat them all somewhat warily. It's quite possible that the fear of a huge Lab majority could itself persuade people to come out for the Tories on polling day. It's different, of course, but Kinnock's premature triumphalist Sheffied Rally in 92 was enough to persuade people to vote Tory in the last week of campaigning and the give them a blooming working majority.
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Sheffield Rally - Wikipedia
Tony L
Administrator
I can’t see the Tories winning even if Reform’s millionaire owners can be bought-out from standing (which I still feel is possible). As such I really don’t care. Anything that eats into a Starmer majority is good IMO. I really hope the LDs, SNP and Greens do better than expected. Any drag from the left is good.
Ponty
pfm Member
If he’s paid what he owes, that’s it, good luck to him. The more he makes, the more he contributes. As I’ve said, whacking a few outliers won’t achieve a great deal. Inequality is impossible to end. I’m a pauper next to him. He’s a pauper next to plenty of others. It’s the absolutes which matter.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
Well alriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!Labour is set to win comfortably. However, the sorts of algorithms they're using to project poll responses to seat numbers just haven't been tested in that extreme. I would treat them all somewhat warily. It's quite possible that the fear of a huge Lab majority could itself persuade people to come out for the Tories on polling day. It's different, of course, but Kinnock's premature triumphalist Sheffied Rally in 92 was enough to persuade people to vote Tory in the last week of campaigning and the give them a blooming working majority.
Sheffield Rally - Wikipedia
Jim Audiomisc
pfm Member
Just kills, maims, and causes birth defects due to radiation and old-fashioned poisoning.
Ask people in Ukraine how keenly wish they had mini nuclear power stations are the end of every street! Would be a gift for Putin to say "not my fault Guv!" when 'accidentally' hit.
Also consider black hats of various other kinds - from terrorists to covert actions by large states. Deniable actions by stealth: "No, we had nothing to do with systems whose 'smart' parts were made in China suddenly doing *that*. Ignore warnings from your security people.
So a serious concern as a target on UK streets. And we've been told, time after time, "Our new designs are better and can be built more easily" only to find that was hogwash.
The reality is that the money would / will be FAR betters spent on boosting our capture of Wind/Wave/Tidal/Solar/etc. We have vast amounts of that. And it is far more 'dependable' that people assume, particularly when you also install storage. Indeed even extremes like using power to extract CO2 from the air makes more sense!