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Coronavirus - the new strain IX

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Tony L said:
It is incoherent bullcrap! Pick the bones out of it here on the gov.uk site! Covid 19 has no knowledge about whether it is at a funeral, a pub, a restaurant, or chatting to friends in your back yard. The virus is exactly the same, it is doing its thing exactly as it always has done, yet the government advice is different for various situations involving similar risk factors. As ever this is political advice

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This edited part of your post is no doubt is true. They balance the medical considerations and the economic and social considerations to make a policy.
 
stephen bennett said:
Read this and weep.

Billions funnelled into unaccountable companies who have failed to deliver.

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To quote Professor Pollock-

“The Independent Sage group has already offered a solution that Hancock could take up easily. Put local authorities, local public health teams and local health services (including GPs and NHS laboratories) back in charge of testing and tracing in the community, and give them the resources to do this properly over the coming months and years.

This is the system Wales and Scotland have opted for, as has Germany. That would be a test, track and trace programme the public could have faith in”.

Instead Johnson has put a party crony called Dido in charge. I mean, running a failed company like TalkTalk with its record of data breaches and poor performance, in charge of managing the biggest acute public health crisis in a century? YMBFJ.
 
paulfromcamden said:
You're suggesting she only got the job because she's a hereditary Conservative peer married to a Conservative MP and was in the same year at Oxford as David Cameron?
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You are watching the test bed for the break up of NHS England in real time. Stripping away powers from NHS and local authorities and placing them in the hands of private contractors favoured by the Tory elite.
 
paulfromcamden said:
You're suggesting she only got the job because she's a hereditary Conservative peer married to a Conservative MP and was in the same year at Oxford as David Cameron?
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And that she managed to persuade her chums to keep horse racing going (she’s big in the Jockey club) despite calls for large events to be cancelled?

Stephen.
 
stephen bennett said:
There is plenty of evidence to show that people are affected by the behaviour of other people, and especially by those who make the laws.

People who don’t feel vulnerable to the virus will not be swayed by images of sick people. But they will take note of what the lawmakers actually do and behave accordingly.

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I get what you are saying, but not in all cases. Your post suggests all people will have no sense of responsibility. I'm sure that's not what you meant, tho. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting...

SteveS1 said:
Andrew, the importance of example and messaging is not aimed at people who instinctively do the right/safe thing.
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I thought it was aimed at everyone, but I agree with your sentiment.
 
People are affected by the behaviour of others. There’s a good overview of the research in a ‘cautionary tales’ podcast by Tim Hartford if you care to look.

It won’t be everyone, of course. But it could be enough to matter. That’s why Cummings’ and others’ behaviour matters.

It’s not just about him taking is for fools.

Stephen
 
TheDecameron said:
You are watching the test bed for the break up of NHS England in real time. Stripping away powers from NHS and local authorities and placing them in the hands of private contractors favoured by the Tory elite.
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All enabled by Brexit. It was the Trojan horse once they realised it.
 
mandryka said:
“Whenever anybody tests positive, the vast majority of them we manage to speak to, and we ask which contacts they’ve had, and that’s shown that the vast majority of contact of people who have the virus, other than people in their own household… is from households visiting and then visiting friends and relatives,” he told the BBC.”
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Or perhaps they struggle to give the names and phone numbers of strangers that they have jostled against in the pub or supermarket?
 
The situation in France is becoming serious - cases up 54% in a week across the country

"More than half (51%) of those who tested positive showed no symptoms. Of those tested positive 69% were aged between 15 and 44 and of those the biggest increase was among 20- to 25-year-olds.

The R-number ... rose from 1.35 to 1.42.

Santé Publique France says the increase is due to the “drop in the systematic adoption of prevention measures (keeping a minimum 1-metre distance, not shaking hands and stopping embraces)”." Spot the difference from Hancock.

The Fench Government is continuing to rule out a second lockdown. France also re-opened schools, which was a big differentiator from other european contries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...087ea5c9431a40#block-5f23e7a18f087ea5c9431a40
 
davidsrsb said:
Or perhaps they struggle to give the names and phone numbers of strangers that they have jostled against in the pub or supermarket?
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During lockdown in NZ larger supermarkets used your mobile, and smaller a manual, to record everybody so they had a good idea of who was in the store at the same time as anyone who subsequently tested positive. Trolley handles were cleaned after every use. Distancing maintained. No cash. Many people wore disposable gloves, some wore masks.
Pubs were, of course, closed. And they reopened a couple of weeks after restaurants.
And this was with less than 1% of the cases the UK has.
It ain't rocket science and the wheel does not have to be reinvented.
 
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