gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
kept my Macan Turbo for 3 years, needed a minor service in that time which didn't empty my wallet.
I've never had a PDK oil change on any of my 4 PDK Porsche's including my 2015 911 Targa 4S.
Cars: Audi, BMW, Mercedes
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kept my Macan Turbo for 3 years, needed a minor service in that time which didn't empty my wallet.
I've never had a PDK oil change on any of my 4 PDK Porsche's including my 2015 911 Targa 4S.
Ponty
pfm Member
Or sell any German car before the warranty expires…
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
the moral is don't buy, lease and treat it like a monthly rental. Our 911 is our 9th consecutive lease car.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
Which is another good reason for buying a pre April 2017 car.
Car tax or VDE as it is now called.
Pre April 2017 £ 0.
Post April 2017 £ 155 same or less C02.
Air Con regas pre 2016/17 £ 59.
Post 2016/17 £ 120, though you may feel better having saved the planet.
clivem2
pfm Member
It’s the same difference, buy or lease, if the car goes before 4 years you avoid that major service. Leasing can work out, it’s what I did for many cars. Depends on mileage and whether you can justify continually funding the peak depreciation of a car…whether leasing, PCP or buying you’re funding this depreciation. Yes, depreciation looks low on Porsches but usually new they are very close to list price..anyway this is going OT.
canonman
pfm Member
I better nip out then and tell my car that it is supposed to be unreliable. Bought new Oct 2017, 54000 miles, 100% reliable, no rattles, no issues, super drive. Dealer is exceptionally good. Service guys are knowledgable, sales guys up for a deal. No idea what the seats are made of but the coffee is great and the receptionist is stunning.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
The ignition key has been a reliable source for stop start for decades.
Ponty
pfm Member
Certainly good advice with German cars. The reduction in build quality over time has coincided with the explosion in volume due to financialisation. Hence the alignment of ownership cycles with warranty periods.
Thorn
pfm Member
But it's not too useful at traffic lights.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
Though the key weighs considerably less than the 25Kg of the MB stop start system I now have.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
The 25kg is there for a purpose. It allows you to keep driving despite the constant drain on the battery from restarting.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
Battery ???
There are two.
One is the size of my diesel Transit van 70 /770 CCA and the auxilliary battery is 13/200
The MB is a 1.5L petrol.
What used to be a cost of £ 60 for a petrol powered ICE battery has now become £ 200.
I'm happy saving the planet though, as the stop start saves some 0.1L/100Km of fuel, though on long runs I suspect carrying the additional 25Kg saves -0.1L.
The carbon footprint of all this additional battery, starter,clutch wear, realays and electronics need not be taken into consideration
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
My point entirely. You made a comment about manually stop / starting your car. Do that with a car with a single battery and low current alternator, don't be surprised if you end up with a flat battery.
The carbon footprint of all this additional battery, starter,clutch wear, realays and electronics need not be taken into consideration
If EU7 takes into account total carbon footprint and not just what comes out the tailpipe, you might get your wish.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
An alert driver can sense when the vehicle will be stationary for 20 seconds or more.
That is when you need stop start, the additional revs from a restart after only 2-5 seconds is pointless IMO. consuming more fuel than stopping.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
Will VW et al provide us with the stats ?
James
Lord of the Erg\o/s
And how much did realised depreciation cost you over the two years?
James
Lord of the Erg\o/s
As long as the car is in good condition, it's invariably cheaper to pay for maintenance and the occasional repair than buying a new one, The cost to replace my 2013 BMW wagon (estate) with the latest 340i Touring will pay for all the repairs I can reasonably anticipate over the next five years, and buy my wife a new Tesla Model 3.
But the draw of a shiny new toy is always strong.
But the draw of a shiny new toy is always strong.
martin clark
pinko bodger
er, that's exactly the kind of reason I spent 3-4 months hunting down a really nice e39 5-series, a couple of years ago. To my taste -one of the best products they've ever made, and still a great answer for what I want a car for, and... a lovely, quiet , but engaging/enjoyable to drive - for journeys of 6-600miles a day.
Running cost - bobbins. Serviceability -amazing: probably the last car BMW designed for such: all four headlight bulbs are the same, and you can swap each in about 60s each from a standing position (so lose a low-beam, swap for adjacent main until you buy can buy a spare bulb...). All filters ditto, and no tools required. With a Philips driver and a 10mm spanner you can address most of all things (and these are provided as part of the oem toolkit). Want more than that? - the software to diagnose/fiddle with/read/re-code every aspect of the entire onboard ecosystem is openly available, and the support you can find for such by other owners amazing.
It has simple-but sufficient toys, and real gauges, an entirely-analogue feel; handles beautifully with engaging feedback however hard you care to push it (& I do) - and no crappy ipad/idrive/crapscreen boshed hideously into the middle of the dash as seems normal these days, and ... I love it.
[to the extent that the really new/flash-fast thing the local dealer gave me a go in as an upsell - I handed back giggling internally /glad to, after how hilariously-numb the driving experience really was. The very idea he'd think I'd like to pay for sim as 'what you could be driving' ...]
Running cost - bobbins. Serviceability -amazing: probably the last car BMW designed for such: all four headlight bulbs are the same, and you can swap each in about 60s each from a standing position (so lose a low-beam, swap for adjacent main until you buy can buy a spare bulb...). All filters ditto, and no tools required. With a Philips driver and a 10mm spanner you can address most of all things (and these are provided as part of the oem toolkit). Want more than that? - the software to diagnose/fiddle with/read/re-code every aspect of the entire onboard ecosystem is openly available, and the support you can find for such by other owners amazing.
It has simple-but sufficient toys, and real gauges, an entirely-analogue feel; handles beautifully with engaging feedback however hard you care to push it (& I do) - and no crappy ipad/idrive/crapscreen boshed hideously into the middle of the dash as seems normal these days, and ... I love it.
[to the extent that the really new/flash-fast thing the local dealer gave me a go in as an upsell - I handed back giggling internally /glad to, after how hilariously-numb the driving experience really was. The very idea he'd think I'd like to pay for sim as 'what you could be driving' ...]
davidsrsb
pfm Member
This terrifies me, no oil or oil filter is that good.