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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XIII

Discussion in 'off topic' started by eternumviti, Jun 9, 2021.

  1. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    In fairness, I don't the the EU is quite at that stage yet, but you're right, it's probably not far off.

    Honestly, you do talk some funny old twaddle at times. Responsibility for Brexit lies in large measure with the EU, and in smaller but not lesser measure with Ted Heath and John Major. I should imagine Boris was still a mewling infant at his mother's teat when the serious mendacity began, although he did spend formative years in Brussels. He even went to primary school with Ursula, so he learned how it all works right there at the fetid heart of the thing.
     
  2. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    Well he may be.

    I remember back in the late 1970s when the predicted new ice age was frightening everybody half witless, some pundit said that should there be an earthquake in Tokyo, the world economy would come crashing down.
     
  3. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Oh for goodness sake, the blame lies squarely with the liars and speculators who have driven this hugely expensive disaster and to a lesser extent the people who too easily bought groundless optimism over reality.
     
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  4. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    Ah you have been just indulging in too much good wine. It make you see everything back to front( Translating to how we say it over here you are talking through your backside)
     
  5. Graham B

    Graham B pfm Member


    The EU didn’t ask for brexit.
     
  6. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    The ERG may demand that Heath is dug up, tried by Jacob Rees Mogg (dressed as a hanging judge) and his remains hung out at Tyburn. Steve Baker is 46.
     
  8. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    Don't forget the hard remainers ( people with six packs and muscly arms) who voted the wrong way. They are 99.99% to blame depending on who you talk to. ;)
     
  9. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    EUphiliacs and BJloathiacs brook no dissent. I'm trying to work it out. Which comes first, the blind love for the one, or the blind hatred for the other?
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2021
  10. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    The correct term is BJLothario.
     
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  11. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Everyone can see that Johnson is an exceptional Prime Minister, none of us have witnessed anything like this in our life time. What will be his epitaph- the leader that undid the Good Friday Agreement and returned violence, broke up the British Union, unlawfully closed Parliament or damaged Britain’s reputation as a nation that honoured its word and the rule of law?

    Brexit is his house of cards, drawn from a pack of lies and it will come crashing down, the country along with it.
     
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  12. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    You are definitely not the one to talk about blind hatred. The hypocrisy scale just hit bright red.

    As for the rest of that, you don't need to be in love with anything to spot con artists scapegoating others to advance themselves. Any standards you ever had, or interest in the welfare of the UK, were sacrificed on your personal ideological altar as we watched. From the objective EU sceptic one nation Tory you presented as originally, to the Redwood/Bone nutter who is happy to sacrifice anything to achieve this UK wrecking shambles.
     
  13. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

  14. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    A Brexit Party stool- entering N.Ireland to weaponise Brexit further. Northern ireland is the powder keg that will blow first. These people are fully responsible.

    “Mr Habib told the crowd: "The real villains in this story are the EU and the Irish Government, because they have falsified and misrepresented entirely what the customs border on the island of Ireland would be”.

    -the big lie must be protected for as long as possible.
     
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  15. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    Who is bankrolling her?

    I am off on holidays for a week I expect the Brexity blokes will be along shortly advising look over there, don't look here nothing to see.
    No sign of Derek Davis to explain the easiest deal in the world or Dommo Rabb to explain how important ports are?

    Meanwhile more teething problems
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business...-drink-exports-to-eu-by-almost-half-1.4597063
     
  16. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    My dislike of the EU certainly increases in its intensity, but it is neither blind nor unconsidered. I acknowledge the good that it - or its predecessor in the EEC - has done. Objectivity is certainly a difficult thing to hold on to in this highly polarising debate, but I try. I research as carefully as I can, and I take care to read the other side of the debate.

    The other thing in this context is that I can't stand Johnson either, but I saw him, given the dearth of choice, as a necessity. The country voted to leave the EU after a campaign that was pretty toxic on both sides, but May then embarked on a desperate process that would have resulted in the UK being bound by EU laws in perpetuity, and the evidence is right in front of us that the EU would have used those laws to hobble the UK whilst retaining its lucrative market. We would, as one of the officials delightedly ejaculated in that excruciating fly on the wall documentary, have become the EU's 'first colony'.

    The EU has been vindictive, and characteristically mendacious, a long displayed trait of which May was either incomprehensibly naive, or artfully forgiving. Johnson seems, often to his cost, to lack spite, but he has no shortage of mendacity. He is also a child of the EU, and was brought up in its inner sanctums. He knows exactly how it ticks.

    I have no doubt that Johnson had little intention of keeping to the text of the NIP both as he negotiated it, and when he signed it. I maintain, however, that he had little choice. It was a significant improvement over the trap of May's backstop, and despite being liberally sown with traps of its own, signing it was the only way left of kicking the process forward towards the goal, considered essential by most commentators at the time, of an FTA. The protocol, however, is toxic, and the only way in which it can possibly work is by soft-touch oversight and compromise. The EU is refusing to countenance either.

    I say it again, you, and the handful of other continuity remainers who post to this thread, are united in two things, a seething loathing of Johnson, beside which everything else falls to nothing, and an obsequience to the EU which brooks absolutely no criticism whatsover of the institutions themselves, their conduct throughout this process, or to their personnel. The only mendacity is Johnson’s.

    You may have noticed that our imperfect democracy is beginning to express its dissatisfaction with Johnson, and it's starting in the blue-rinsed tory homelands. That's the way it works. The EU, however, continues.
     
  17. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    What’s chilling about a collapse of food exports on that scale ( halved) is that job losses and bankruptcy will surely follow. No doubt Luz Truss will say they didn’t take up the govt website that told them how to ship their fresh produce to Singapore.
     
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  18. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    There’s more than a whiff of florid paranoia in your posts these days.
     
  19. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    Is there. Tell me just what is paranoid about that post.
     
  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    They’re all out to get us…their mendacity/ Johnson corrupted by his EU childhood/theyre hobbling us/Boris corrupted by Ursula at primary school. Meanwhile our plucky imperfect little democracy soldiers bravely along. It’s as though we have no agency in all this.
     
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