Colin Barron
pfm Member
At a guess i would think as we have moved from EEC towards a Federal Europe, popularity for the project has diminished along the way.Why?
At a guess i would think as we have moved from EEC towards a Federal Europe, popularity for the project has diminished along the way.Why?
We brexited, we weren't thrown out, as such we have hurt our own economy. Even some of the architects of this shambles have admitted we will take a hit (ignoring the earlier rosy sales pitch).Nigel is correct; the days of the smug smiles of Juncker and Barnier are long gone, all they can do now is threaten is it will hurt you more than it will hurt us. That is trade war talk and they will probably find they were correct that they will hurt our economy but they cannot blockade containers supplying goods from outside of the EU. Neither side will benefit from a trade war except of course other countries outside Europe.
It will not come to this because we are all basically broke, and a not BINO deal is on the way.
Steve,You may not have intended to Brian, but you’ve certainly given me the impression of voting Brexit and quite rabidly so. But at the very least you have been looking for reasons to remain, without making a case for the benefits you expect from a project that has already cost more than we spent on contributions and bitterly divided the country, especially the opposition to the Tories, which has obviously delighted them.
I come at it from the point that of view that it’s up to people advocating an expensive and disruptive change to make a case for it, no matter what the subject. Not for the status quo to prove negatives.
May I suggest then that you phone a friend? Brian would do. He's prosocial.
It was Foot and Ben in the early days pointing out the 'not democracy as we know it' nature of the lack of accountability of the EEC council that would change into the ECJ and Heath pushing for more Europe.Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick, but my impression of your views over the years has been one of EU scepticism, albeit in a "I am not convinced by this until someone can explain why I am wrong" rather than from a bad faith (like the radical free marketeers) or ideological (like the ultras) basis.
The Tories are, of course, responsible for Brexit as the whole thing is a result of their obsession. But people who voted for Brexit are also responsible, in fact literally so, if only because they fell into the the Tories trap.
Why should I ask Brian or anyone else? You made the charge that I am apparently 'projecting'. I think it might just be a word that you like the sound of, so either back it up, or zip it up, and perhaps provide a retraction whilst you're at it..
Highfalutin as well.
A customs border is ‘trade war talk’? That’s simply the product of Brexit, of leaving the single market. We’ve left, gerroverit.Nigel is correct; the days of the smug smiles of Juncker and Barnier are long gone, all they can do now is threaten is it will hurt you more than it will hurt us. That is trade war talk and they will probably find they were correct that they will hurt our economy but they cannot blockade containers supplying goods from outside of the EU. Neither side will benefit from a trade war except of course other countries outside Europe.
It will not come to this because we are all basically broke, and a not BINO deal is on the way.
I wonder how much of this traffic can be transferred to container ports?A customs border is ‘trade war talk’? That’s simply the product of Brexit, of leaving the single market. We’ve left, gerroverit.
Now one benefit is there could be jobs counting the lorries in Kent. No previous experience needed, must be able to operate a clicker. Rainwear will be provided.
Do you do content?Highfalutin as well.
We brexited, we weren't thrown out, as such we have hurt our own economy. Even some of the architects of this shambles have admitted we will take a hit (ignoring the earlier rosy sales pitch).
Whatever your feelings about fish and the ecjI I'm sure you will agree that trade flowed quite well ( leaving aside our own traffic problems). Any increased costs or interruptions to a properly functioning system are down to us.
We knew the rules or at least should have known them.
Do you do content?
So as was screamingly obvious, you were talking bullshit all along. All mouth and trousers.
If you've got nothing to say, best say nothing.
Bollocks.At a guess i would think as we have moved from EEC towards a Federal Europe, popularity for the project has diminished along the way.
The quality of irony is not strained.Do you do content?
OK Kirk.The quality of irony is not strained.
How many of the 17.2m is many?^ many Brexiteers voted for a rose-tinted image of England that cannot be recreated, if it ever existed.
There will be many disappointments and casualties.
There are already articles about how Covid plus Brexit will reduce the UK economic status towards the bottom of the OECD.