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Brexit: give me a positive effect... III

Discussion in 'off topic' started by stevec67, May 30, 2020.

  1. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    I would very much like to see the UK parliament relocated to a nice big office block on an industrial estate off the M6, M4 or M1. Say Nottingham, Northampton, Coventry, anywhere like that. Nice and central, fly visiting dignitaries into say E Mids or Brum. Plenty of room, and if you need another conference room you take on the offices next door. You want 500 sq m? Easy. You want 100 conference rooms? Got that. There's a field at the back. We're 2 miles from the motorway and a 10 minute taxi ride from the station.
     
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  2. roman

    roman pfm Member

    If the lord's are disbanded and the UK breaks up they could save a fortune and meet up in a pub.

    Piss up and brewery spring to mind.
     
  3. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    Rather than have the banks create the money and change the U.K. taxpayer an inordinate fee the Bank of England could create the money at an interest rate of not very much. However that might upset the banking sector, hedge funds, private equity funds and the rest of the hangers on.
     
  4. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Staying alert

    27 years, not 17. And most buildings standing for more than a quarter of a century would be in need of some work, and no doubt a refresh.

    The lesson of the U.K. Parliament restoration is, perhaps, that sometimes tear down and rebuild is actually cheaper than trying to repair and update existing infrastructure. Granted, the Houses of Parliament have historical and architectural significance, so costs will escalate as it’s specialist conservation work, but relocating Parliament elsewhere would be much cheaper, and the buildings would have the added advantage of being better suited to the purpose.
     
  5. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Staying alert

    You told us you hadn’t seen the awful Vote Leave material shown upthread, so the accusation that tonerei is telling you what you didn’t see is specious. Why would you argue something so transparently untrue?
     
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  6. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    Thanks for the correction, opened 1993, completed 1995, latest extension 2008.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_Léopold
    No doubt we can expect news of rebuilding Strasbourg which was completed in 1999.
     
  7. roman

    roman pfm Member

    We had a mayor who spaffed £53m (over40 of it public money) on a nonexistent garden bridge. Thankfully he was voted out, hopefully never to get his hands on the public purse again.
     
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  8. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Staying alert

    Where are you getting your story about this being replaced from? There’s nothing in that Wiki about it, and a quick Google search didn’t flag anything up. A link to your source would be appreciated, thanks.
     
  9. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    There has been no announcement yet (i made it up) but you don't expect MEPs to slum it in a building 21 years old for the few days a month? The French will never accept using a sub standard building, especially if the free money tree is approved.
     
  10. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    a fake fact:D well i never:oops:
     
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  11. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    eh coz his Brian?
     
  12. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Off you go again. :D

    Mate, your attention seeking and provocation is childish. pfm isn't all about you, give it a rest.
     
  13. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    Not at all i said:
    No doubt we can expect news of rebuilding Strasbourg which was completed in 1999
     
  14. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    Your man Phil Hogan did not get many kind comments. Cick on 'youtube' for comments
     
  15. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    ^
    He said...
    “Next round of negotiations next week, we hope we'll see a bigger effort than we've seen to date from the UK side to move on certain issues because we stand ready to move on ours, to move towards some of the solutions required on many issues of concern to both sides.

    In an ideal world I'd like this Hogan bloke to provide believable and specific examples of where the EU is looking for movement from the UK side, and just as importantly, exactly what it is the EU is prepared "to move on ours" because I've never seen any examples of that at all. Doing this could put a bit of pressure on the tories, but only if EU demands are not designed to keep the UK under control of the EU in any way at all. The EU wanting its cake and eat it won't fly.

    The remark, "bigger effort...from the UK side". This could be true, but equally it could be straight from the tory handbook of how to set up blame elsewhere.

    Back in the real world, while there are no TV cameras' broadcasting all of this "live" there can never be any certainty over how either side is negotiating. No matter if (a big 'if') either side is truthful, the other will say the opposite and people will believe what they choose to believe.
     
  16. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    Did you select the you tube button (bottom right hand corner for the coments)? He did not get a good reception.
     
  17. tuga

    tuga European

    Why do you keep on criticising the EU - of which the UK is no longer part of -, and not doing a particularly good job at it, in a topic where you should be striving to point out at least one positive effect of our leaving?
     
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  18. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    The positive is the UK has limited liability for the brewing magic money tree storm. I don't think Federalism will work but the big brains of the EU believe it is the way forward. Good luck with that one.
     
  19. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    That's the sort of inaccurate emotive description that has got us where we are.

    Abdicating our influence by flouncing out (the UK had much to do with formation and a shared oversight of the SM). Still wanting to parcipitate, while resenting the reduced influence. The UK has to reconcile itself to this. In short, if we didn't think we had enough 'control' inside the EU, we sure as Hell can't expect much from outside of it. The choice to retain some participation has to be viewed in that context.

    If we were in Barnier's position, the bile and venom from our tabloids and the like, to a country that was trying to leave and retain access would be far more hostile. It would all be "how dare they, make 'em pay, who do they think they are" and so on.

    The idea that the UK could belong to the EU and retain some sort of veto or casting vote on everything is just the type of UK exceptionalism that had dogged us for decades. It's almost as if part of the post-imperial legacy by way of culture is that there is only working for people and not with them.
     
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  20. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Staying alert

    So, you admit that you made up the story about the Brussels Building being replaced, but now you seem to be deflecting to the Strasbourg one. What you seem to be swaying is:

    "Whoops, busted on Brussels, but it's bound to happen in Strasbourg, innit".

    That's about the level of intellectual argument we've come to expect, I suppose, but it does show that Brexit supporters are entirely comfortable with fake news, provided it gets a job done. That's a very dangerous mindset, IMO.
     
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