monkfish
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Wilson, Smith, Corbyn.
Labour Leader: Keir Starmer IV
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Wilson, Smith, Corbyn.
notaclue
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But don't forget Corbyn was only likeable in a Worzel Gummidge way. We (the people) mostly found him a bit odd and a lot foolish.
Ed Miliband was very likeable. Nice bloke. Even if he failed to convince the people that he had the leadership skills needed to become PM, nobody could dislike Ed.
Ed Miliband was very likeable. Nice bloke. Even if he failed to convince the people that he had the leadership skills needed to become PM, nobody could dislike Ed.
gavreid
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Yaxley-Lennon is turning out on Saturday. I don't suppose Starmer will join the protest.
ks.234
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Why did he attract record crowds wherever he went then? At least he did attract record crowds until the Labour Party ratcheted up their sabotage of the Labour Party.
The fact that the anti Corbynistas still obsess about Corbyn is a significant part of why Labour is unelectable, a party that still rejoices in it’s own civil war will never appeal to voters. The constant references to Corbyn only reinforce Labour’s problem
Seanm
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Well, at least Starmer seems to have learned the lessons of the last year and has finally started to let go of the zombie Blairites he'd surrounded himself. This is a real opportunity to draw from a wider pool of talent with more recent exp....Wait, what?
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1407783054115020805?s=20
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1407783054115020805?s=20
ks.234
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But he does have a proven track record of successful communications. He led Liz Kendall’s leadership campaign, and got a decisive 4%
Enfield boy
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Sadly "we" the people weren't listening, except to the gravy train socialists (grauniad), the "hard right" media (pretty much everything else) and Laura Kunsberk (sic). Those who paid much attention could see he was the only chance of a better and fairer country. The others really didn't have a clue.
Similarly the general public didn't warm very much to Attlee in spite of the huge achievements of the post war Labour govt. Most seem to prefer charisma, for all that's worth.
ks.234
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Yes, the real point is that the anti Corbynistas have now got exactly what they went to war for, and despite the outcome, are still fighting the same battle
ks.234
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No, that was not what was just said, it was in fact the very opposite, but never mind.
Spraggons Den
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Corbyn was a poor mans Tony Benn and a wealthy Londonite who had no appeal to the working class of the north.
At least Starmer can string a sentence together.
At least Starmer can string a sentence together.
doctorf
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Hasn't he just appointed one of Blair's old comms boys?
notaclue
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This is an exaggeration. For example, he did not attract record crowds when he went to Sainsbury's. And he did not attract record crowds when he went to the toilet.
He was (very) popular with a (very) small section of the British public who are enthusiasts about left-wing politics. And because they are enthusiasts, they go to rallies to watch and cheer people like Corbyn. Unfortunately, such people don't seem aware enough to understand that the majority of the public at large are not enthusiasts about left-wing politics.
I suspect that at Glastonbury and footie matches, etc, the crowds of people who joined in the Corbyn chants just got caught up in the mood. It was a bit of fun. They didn't really mean it.
Seanm
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That was my feeble gag. Starmer seems able to recruit only through a tear in the fabric of time.
ks.234
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First of all everything you say is quite true, but what is demonstrably not true is the suggestion that Corbyn was not popular. At certain points he was very popular, popular enough to come very close to winning a general election in 2017 despite having to fight against his own party. Of course, the Labour Party doubled down on it’s efforts to destabilise the Labour Party and Corbyn’s popularity undoubtedly fell, but let’s be clear, it was an unpopularity engineered, manufactured and sold by the Labour Party itself.
But my main point is not about Corbyn, but the fact that the anti Corbynistas are still resurrecting the body of Corbyn to give it a good kicking every now and then simple reinforces the idea that Labour are a party in a civil war, and people will not vote for that.
And the second, related, point is that the anti Corbynistas won the civil war. They got exactly what they wanted. But that victory has only seen them falling further and further in the polls and losing by-elections in what we’re safe seats.
Above all though, the questions are not about Corbyn as much as looking at where the Labour Party is going from here. How and when will the Labour Party tactic of declaring war on the Labour Party start to bear fruit? And. If Corbyn was the problem, where is the Labour Party going now that he’s dead?
Seanm
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Sure, nothing happened. All business as usual. Nothing less unusual than thousands of young people joyfully chanting the name of a Westminster politician, happens all the time.
notaclue
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Young people like to be cool* and a lot of them probably did it because they thought it was cool (as Corbyn had been bigged up by Stormzy and so on). They probably thought they would look square* if they didn't join in the chant. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if a sizeable number of the young people thought Corbyn was a new K-pop band who were on stage next.
* Or whatever young people call these things nowadays.
Tony L
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Initially fairly popular, but he got old real fast when the indecision fence came out. Most memorable quote: “Hello, thank you, goodbye” which was used repeatably to articulate Labour’s position on anything important (e.g. Brexit). I’d argue leading a party to defeat against both Theresa May and Boris Johnson was far from the best political CV, but Labour is gonna Labour.
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