Brexit: give me a positive effect... X

[Ponty]

In case you hadn't noticed we have a parasitic bureaucratic mafia working on its own behalf, one more deadly than any real mafia I can think of.

Of course, but it doesn’t run and control 27 counties and can be voted out.

 

[tonerei]

The EU have made a fist of this. I understand France, Germany, Italy and NL negotiated a similar deal with AZ to that of the UK. The EU said ‘on no you don’t, we’ll handle this’. The EU then do a deal, 2 months later, with no material difference to the deals those countries had already negotiated. Until we see the contracts, it’s speculation but I understand that because of the EU losing time, the AZ supply is on a best endeavours basis. This is the problem when you have a parasitic, bureaucratic mafia acting on your behalf.

Not sure on that. It is a private company. The way it is being presented by some people in the UK is it is your vaccine.
In my mind logically the expectation would be each country getting proportionately similar levels of the vaccine per head of population to bring down the risks in the most vulnerable groups across the continent.

If one wants to use it as a simple product and first come first served well then the EU would end up getting all the vaccines and the UK would be made wait. If a company gets a demand from the biggest customer to deliver the smaller guy gets sidelined. It might not be right but it is how the world works.

The fact AZ have run into production problems which is the cause of this issue appears to be ignored.

Time will tell the full true picture but given how mute Gove was this morning I think your government see the bigger picture. Or the other alternative is something was done to intervene in the distribution and now there is a bit of back pedaling. It is not beyond the Tories to engage in strange behaviours.

 

[Colin Barron]

Key word there may be "fresh". Where does the frozen stuff come from? I would think most of the lamb from NZ arrives frozen.

I don't see other supermarkets making the same fresh meat claim, maybe i just missed it?

 

[roman]

Of course, but it doesn’t run and control 27 counties and can be voted out.

Tell that to the 100,000 (and counting)

 

[roman]

Of course, but it doesn’t run and control 27 counties and can be voted out.

In what ways were we run and controlled?

 

[Colin Barron]

Of course, but if it's eco credentials you seek it is greener still to stop eating, and producing meat. My suspicion is that it suits a brexiter mindset to employ this argument and limit it to transport rather than to examine the bigger picture.

Incidentally, I wonder whether 'global britain' would rather continue extending its food supply chains to ever more distant sources rather than trade with our nearest trading partners?

Do you mean like the EU 'cars for cows' mercosur deal, which has gone off the boil for the moment but it will return.

 

[roman]

No I had in mind being softened up for chlorinated chicken and steroid beef.

 

[Chefren]

It would be greener to source locally than sending animals to Europe and have Europeans sending their animals to our supermarkets.

You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local - Our World in Data

 

[roman]

You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local - Our World in Data

That's all very well but how does it back up brexit? The eco argument needs very carefully set parameters!

 

[lagavullin10y]

Not sure on that. It is a private company. The way it is being presented by some people in the UK is it is your vaccine.
In my mind logically the expectation would be each country getting proportionately similar levels of the vaccine per head of population to bring down the risks in the most vulnerable groups across the continent.

If one wants to use it as a simple product and first come first served well then the EU would end up getting all the vaccines and the UK would be made wait. If a company gets a demand from the biggest customer to deliver the smaller guy gets sidelined. It might not be right but it is how the world works.

The fact AZ have run into production problems which is the cause of this issue appears to be ignored.

Time will tell the full true picture but given how mute Gove was this morning I think your government see the bigger picture. Or the other alternative is something was done to intervene in the distribution and now there is a bit of back pedaling. It is not beyond the Tories to engage in strange behaviours.

I expect bribery of AZ. The way the CEO is twisting and choosing his arguments is very suspicious. He is in a pretty uncomfortable situation now since he started to reveal contractual deals which were supposed to be non public.

 

[Ponty]

Tell that to the 100,000 (and counting)

The whole thing is dreadful.

 

[roman]

The whole thing is dreadful.

Yes, but not entirely accidental.

 

[Chefren]

That's all very well but how does it back up brexit? The eco argument needs very carefully set parameters!

Obviously it doesn't back up brexit, trade barriers reduce opportunities to reduce emissions caused by food production.

 

[Ponty]

Yes, but not entirely accidental.

China. They knew but didn’t tell.

 

[stevec67]

The EU have made a fist of this. I understand France, Germany, Italy and NL negotiated a similar deal with AZ to that of the UK. The EU said ‘on no you don’t, we’ll handle this’. The EU then do a deal, 2 months later.

Big claim. Let's see some proof, or is it just made up by Brexit Central? If it were true, I'd expect it to be all over the news and Brexiteers crowing from the rooftops.

 

[roman]

Obviously it doesn't back up brexit, trade barriers reduce opportunities to reduce emissions caused by food production.

China. They knew but didn’t tell.

After China we knew but didn't act.

 

[tonerei]

I expect bribery of AZ. The way the CEO is twisting and choosing his arguments is very suspicious. He is in a pretty uncomfortable situation now since he started to reveal contractual deals which were supposed to be non public.

That is what I am wondering. It just has all the hallmarks of it. Especially when Von Der leyen is calling for publication of the contract.
The mistake that is bringing it to the fore is trying to connect it to Brexit. It ties it also with the usual Hancock Tory rhetoric of world beating apps etc.

 

[Colin Barron]

Big claim. Let's see some proof, or is it just made up by Brexit Central? If it were true, I'd expect it to be all over the news and Brexiteers crowing from the rooftops.

Times page 8 yesterday, from the horses mouth.

 

[stevec67]

Morrisons say they sell 100% British fresh meat, if they can do that why not other supermarkets.

Have a think about why Britain can't produce all the meat for a population of 60M people. Feel free to research food supply in WW2 when the population was ~40M, there was rationing and domestic meat production was much more common.

Key word there may be "fresh". Where does the frozen stuff come from? I would think most of the lamb from NZ arrives frozen.

I think most does. Bear in mind also that in the red meat industry there is a process called "deep chill" where meat is not frozen but stored at a very cold chill. I'm not sure of the details but meat under these conditions will keep for 45 days or so. Have you ever stopped to wonder how beef can be "28 day aged" before it comes to the supermarket, and be sold to you not yet stinking?

Meat that has been frozen (defined as <-18C) and then thawed cannot then be sold as fresh. This is law.

 

[Ponty]

After China we knew but didn't act.

Yep, wonderful in hindsight. Can you image if Boris had shut the whole country and borders down with a handful of cases and zero deaths? The opposition (whoever they are) would be protesting, demanding the evidence.