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Winter election III

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chris@panteg said:
20-25 majority to the tories, my prediction.
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Which - while giving a clear Tory majority - probably still leaves Johnson in a very tough place as “to get it done” by end-2020 as with limited time he has to stay very close to the EU arrangements today or abandon them altogether.

So he has to either deliver a pretty soft brexit (which JRM, Francois etc will hate and probably rebel against) or a no-deal option (which will also have a lot of opposition).....neither looks easy to get through if you have only 20-25 seats.
 
gavreid said:
Kevin Ovenden's piece in the Morning Star about the 'centre' should make for interesting reading here - he argues that the so called political centre is well to the right of average thinking...

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/good-riddance-dead-centre
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He would say that wouldn't he? I do find it odd that people on here bemoan press bias then quote the Morning Star. Obviously the right wing press is far better funded & more widely read but if you want press neutrality you find it in the MS.
 
Woodface said:
He would say that wouldn't he? I do find it odd that people on here bemoan press bias then quote the Morning Star. Obviously the right wing press is far better funded & more widely read but if you want press neutrality you find it in the MS.
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The only Labour supporting newspaper - newspapers aren't covered by the same neutrality laws as broadcast media. You need a bit more balance in your life...
 
Mark EJ said:
To varying extents, and generally overall, yes. Forgot Olly Robbins though. Him too. Especially him.
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LOL if you think Olly Robbins is a problem, you are only selectively paying attention.

The usual super wealthy, hedge fund managers, speculators, foreign billionaires, non-dom, non UK tax paying media owners are calling the shots. The main difference this time is that a huge chunk of what might have been considered their opposition have been persuaded to support them thanks to Brexit. A device that will further enrich the former at the expense of the latter. A considerable coup you have to admit. It's not much consolation to think that many of those who get the rough end of Johnson this time will at least have been responsible for putting him there. That hasn't always been the case.

Europe, it was assumed was a problem issue for the Tories that Cameron sought to expunge. For the Tories in Parliament, I suppose you could say it has been. As it turns out though, Europe has been a much bigger problem for Labour. Not in Parliament but amongst much of what might have been considered their natural support. This in the end is more of a problem than having a split parliamentary party. The leadership took the view that it was easier to try an appease that portion (rather than campaign more directly to challenge such a view) or divert attention to things they (quite rightly) identify as more significant as causes of UK problems.

Sadly, such analysis or self examination is never an easy "sell". However more advanced we think we are, the easiest messages to get over are the ones people want to hear - "your problems are the fault of others" and "you can pay little tax and still have top quality services and infrastructure" being two of the most popular.

The leaders of opposition parties will likely rue the day they all charged off in their own directions rather than did the one thing that would have guaranteed more electoral possiblilties next year. They could and should have denied Johnson this way out of his own mess.
 
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I’m just looking forward to ten o’clock tonight when we can put Brexit behind and start thinking about Christmas and being friends again.
 
In best Dervla Kirwan food porn voiceover,

“This isn’t just any general election, this is a Marx & Stalin general election,”

Good luck to all.
 
guest said:
Left lather levels appear to be at frenzy rate.
Watch the blood pressure folks, or there will be little left for the next phases of outrage at




Oh I see, anyone disagreeing, mocking or challenging the extreme left so prevalent here, is, by default, a Nazi/Tory.

What clarity of vision. How incisive. Of course, that’s it. And it must be true, as the cronies say it’s so. As do the academics apparently.

I do look fwd to the “a thread to catalogue the U turns, lies, blah blah of Tory blah. “.

You really have no idea who is voting for whom. Insulting folk helps no one.
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Your swivel eyed labelling of moderate left wing policies (to the right of the 60's Wilson government) as 'extreme' calls into question any pretence of clarity of vision on your part mate.
 
deanf said:
I’m just looking forward to ten o’clock tonight when we can put Brexit behind and start thinking about Christmas and being friends again.
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Yes indeed. Trade with the ROW that gets anywhere near that we are turning our backs on. Then sufficient market and services standards and regulatory alignment to appease both new and existing markets. Piece of piss or what?

Arleen and her chums were first, now which Johnson allies will be on a one way trip under the bus next? It will make for complusive viewing, sod Christmas.
 
If Laura K was right and Survation are closest again, we could be looking at a thumping majority.

My early bet was a 10 seat majority. If I were doing it today, I'd go for 60.
 
if anyone thinks Gramsci is a cultural Marxist you know they have shit smeared all around their mouth.

First there was idiotic Brexit voters, now there are all these Tories coming out of the woodwork with threats of Tory landslides, even if the Tories are scraping by... that’s a lot of Tories... now are you getting my point about the English not really being all that nice a bunch of ppl? I know Glibby and the Brain will do that “Claire's an English-hating xenophobe” thing that they do whenever Scottish independence is mentioned, because the English frankly seem to love self harming, but honestly, this is a pattern emerging. If you vote Tory, then you simply must hate people, you are a sociopath.
 
guest said:
Left lather levels appear to be at frenzy rate.
Watch the blood pressure folks, or there will be little left for the next phases of outrage at




Oh I see, anyone disagreeing, mocking or challenging the extreme left so prevalent here, is, by default, a Nazi/Tory.

What clarity of vision. How incisive. Of course, that’s it. And it must be true, as the cronies say it’s so. As do the academics apparently.

I do look fwd to the “a thread to catalogue the U turns, lies, blah blah of Tory blah. “.

You really have no idea who is voting for whom. Insulting folk helps no one.
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Chill. You’re pushing water uphill with a pitchfork here, it’s not worth your time. What happens today will tell us everything.
 
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