The Labour conference will be very interesting, as will the Conservative one. The two main parties are imploding and fracturing before our eyes. I will sit back and enjoy the spectacle!
Labour have been given a big boot up the arse by the Lib Dems today. Cowards to the core, they have whined that a general election focusing on the revoking of Article 50 is undemocratic.
This is coming from a political Party which has chosen to ignore the fact that the majority of its supporters and MPs are Remainers and anti-Brexit. Let's sweep them under the ideological carpet, muttered Corbyn and Milne, so they won't make any trouble.
I hope it all kicks off in the Labour Party.
Jack
What do you think of the vitriol that the Lib Dem leader, in the big wide world outside pfm, has reserved for Labour leader?
And, more important, her relative restraint on all things rabid right wing Tory?
Is that because Revoke is the only notable policy difference between the LD’s and the Tories?I'm sorry, but that is rubbish. if they go into an election with a clear policy and win a majority, it is perfectly democratic for them to implement that policy.
The voters know what they would be voting for, after all.
Yes. The fact is that however much Remainers hate Corbyn and the Labour Party, if they *really* want to stop Brexit (as opposed indulging in "betrayal" psychodramas and revenge fantasies) they *need* Labour to do at least well enough to deny the Conservatives (+DUP?) an outright majority. Therefore, anything that damages Labour too badly is self-defeating. The LD's current "Revoke or bust" position is dangerous because:But ‘the fact’ is that Labour voters are split between Leave and Remain. Labour will lose as much as it gains by going all out Remain. Which is why it’s current policy makes sense, keeping options open while maintaining a strong anti Tory stance.
That is actually as infuriating as the Lid Dem manoeuvre itself! She keeps doing this. The Guardian have spent three years nodding along to every noisy, empty-headed stunt the Lib Dems have pulled on Brexit, while pretending that Corbyn is the chief obstacle to any kind of sensible solution. It's completely predictable that Swinson and her cronies should get the message that they can basically get away with any self-serving BS they feel like serving up, so long as it deals a blow to Corbyn. And now they're all "Where did this idiotic extremism come from?" I wonder!It's interesting that even The Guardian (one of the Lib-Dems most reliable cheerleaders) is conflicted about the new direction:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ts-remain-extremism-labour-opportunity-brexit
If even Polly Toynbee's calling you an "extreme" Remainer, maybe it's time to think again?
Ha, yes! Forgot to say that. Sorry to get you all aeriated!That is actually as infuriating as the Lid Dem manoeuvre itself! She keeps doing this. The Guardian have spent three years nodding along to every noisy, empty-headed stunt the Lib Dems have pulled on Brexit, while pretending that Corbyn is the chief obstacle to any kind of sensible solution. It's completely predictable that Swinson and her cronies should get the message that they can basically get away with any self-serving BS they feel like serving up, so long as it deals a blow to Corbyn. And now they're all "Where did this idiotic extremism come from?" I wonder!
Labour 65% remain vote in the ref.But ‘the fact’ is that Labour voters are split between Leave and Remain. Labour will lose as much as it gains by going all out Remain. Which is why it’s current policy makes sense, keeping options open while maintaining a strong anti Tory stance.
The Lib Dems’ position on Brexit is becoming increasingly incoherent and unclear.
Is that because Revoke is the only notable policy difference between the LD’s and the Tories?
Sorry, but that is rubbish. An election is about a whole range of matters.
It’s undemocratic to stick two fingers up to the half the population that voted Leave.No, just a general point about winning a democratic mandate via an election. Nobody can successfully argue that if a party is elected with a clear policy platform, it is undemocratic to then implement said policies.
It’s undemocratic to stick two fingers up to the half the population that voted Leave.
No, absolutely not. We need another referendum based on what we’ve learned over the last 3 yearsYou mean half of the people that voted, of course. What about the other half who have been completely ignored and sidelined for the last 3 and a half years? OK to stick two fingers up at them because they lost?
But 60% of Labour constituencies voted Leave.Labour 65% remain vote in the ref.
Lib Dem 68%.
A significant chunk of leave voters in those constituencies will be Tories, Lib Dem’s or Farage supporters who’d never vote for a Corbyn-led Labour anyway.But 60% of Labour constituencies voted Leave.