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The 2017 F1 Thread

vuk said:
just in case some younger F1 fans are confused, it may be useful to point out the villeneuve /arnoux overtaking was all at the very end of one race, not a high-light reel spanning their entire careers.


vuk.
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And it was for 2nd place!
 
More interesting race at the weekend probably thanks to weather and safety car etc .
Verstappen drove well again and do not expect Riciardo was too pleased
 
Riciardo's car came alive after his second pit stop when the front wing was adjusted for more downforce. Too late, but then everyone is still learning.
 
Patrick Dixon said:
The problem is that it doesn't really work as a team sport when most of the team is sitting in a backroom somewhere (in many cases on a different continent) doing things that none of the spectators are allowed to see or understand.

If you want to make it a team sport, then as a minimum the backroom team's input has to be visible to the spectators. And at the end of the day it is the spectators that are paying for you to do it.
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Patrick, Ross Brawn agrees with you in terms of reducing secrecy to make it easier to follow:

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/formula-1/brawn-wants-teams-secrecy-cut-to-inform-fans_sto6127497/story.shtml
 
I just saw that on the BBC and it looks like a permanent move from F1 is coming soon if he can't bag a competitive seat for 2018. Another 3 years at McLaren-Honda? Unlikely.
 
Seens they can make a good indy engine surely theycan do better in F1 what happened to the oid Japanese way of copying the best rival and making it better
 
peter bj said:
Seens they can make a good indy engine surely theycan do better in F1 what happened to the oid Japanese way of copying the best rival and making it better
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You cannot compare the very simple Indy engines with the stratospheric level of technology in a modern F1 engine.

An Indy engine is a 2.2 liter twin turbo v6 with around a max of 700 bhp. More importantly it has no fuel flow restriction so they can keep pumping fuel into it. From an engineering perspective this is not hard to do. You can get a road engine to those levels although lifetime might be an issue.

A modern F1 engine from the energy recovery systems is a 1.6 liter v6 and the massive issue here is that it is fuel flow restricted to a max of 100kg per hour. This is the kicker as all the benefits are now in engine efficiency and specifically in extreme lean burn engines. This is what Honda are struggling with mostly although ancillery systems are a part of their problems as well.
 
peter bj said:
Seens they can make a good indy engine surely theycan do better in F1 what happened to the oid Japanese way of copying the best rival and making it better
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As I have explained on here many times, that is not how they develop engines now, nor how they have done so for the past 30 years in motorsport.
 
vuk said:
just in case some younger F1 fans are confused, it may be useful to point out the villeneuve /arnoux overtaking was all at the very end of one race, not a high-light reel spanning their entire careers.


vuk.
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And it's probably worth remembering that driving and overtaking like that was unheard of even then so rose tinted spectacles are the filter of choice. Also Arnoux drove a shit race that day and was destroyed by his teammate IIRC - annoying given that it was almost 40 years ago and I cannot remember yesterday.
 
merlin said:
And it's probably worth remembering that driving and overtaking like that was unheard of even then so rose tinted spectacles are the filter of choice. Also Arnoux drove a shit race that day and was destroyed by his teammate IIRC - annoying given that it was almost 40 years ago and I cannot remember yesterday.
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Erm you'll find that wasn't entirely untypical of Villeneuve's season: Smooth, dominating win at Kyalami (managed his tyres superbly), excellent win at Long Beach, a fantastic drive through the field to 3rd place after replacing a wing at Zolder only to run out of fuel on the last lap, the overtake of the year at Zandvoort, the start of the year at Austria (from sixth to first), the only driver capable of living with Jones in Canada and the ridiculous wet-weather qualifying at Watkins Glen. In the words of Nigel Roebuck: 'Scheckter was second fastest, on 2m 11.029s. Villeneuve’s time was rather quicker: 2m 01.437s! At one stage Jacques Laffite came and joined us on the pitwall, and he, too, was mesmerised. “Look at him,” he said, as the Ferrari skittered by at 160mph. “He’s different from the rest of us. On a separate level…”

Sadly missed.
 
Taff63 said:
Erm you'll find that wasn't entirely untypical of Villeneuve

Sadly missed.
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Somewhere I have a picture of me as a proud 14 year old standing with him in the pit at Silverstone on his GP debut.

Rose tinted specs imho. The reason the French drive is so remembered today is that it was the exception rather than the rule. Gilles was combative and could outperform an underperforming car. He never showed that he could aid the development of and excel in an exceptional car.
 
Shock news, Button to drive at Monaco this year in place of Alonso! WTF is going on with Alonso doing Indy 500?
 
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