Homelessness
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Arkless Electronics
Trade: Amp design and repairs.
Oh Jeremy Corbyn!
On that basis why pay any tax at all?
Taxes change behaviour. If you tax cars you decrease use. Tax alcohol, peoplr drink less. Tax housing, people buy smaller houses. If you really want to increase housing availability then taxing housing will do this. However people in the UK don't really want this to happen.
oldie
pfm Member
Of course you would know all about it no doubt having worked in the Car Factories or for that matter any other factory during the 70's 80's.
Unless you have, and at the time period that your comments are aimed at and you have actually experienced being forced to have your every movement controlled by the speed of the Track whilst carrying out repetitive monotonous physically hard work,( there was no computer controlled personal aided assistance in the 70's 80's) I would again respectfully suggest to you, that to put it politely you refrain making quotes about something you very obviously know absolutely nothing at all about
oldie
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
Is that worse than a one sided view? I did work in factories in the 60's and 70's, and the workers were not exactly altruistic. Everyone wants the best for themselves, frequently at the expense of everyone else.
I wouldn't have commented if you hadn't made the above post. And I still don't agree that John Bloor built a completely new company, following the Japanese model, on the back of the workers' take over.
oldie
pfm Member
ABD
Of course it's a one sided view, because it's based on my own personal experiences, but my comments were aimed at those on here that base all of their comments not on actual experience but on heresy, Government mantra and the likes of the Tory press such as DM etc.
As regarding John Bloor, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Motorcycles_Ltd
Triumph Motor Bikes are still producing a product that according to Bikers that I used to know is a brilliant Bike that has no problems selling all they can produce
oldie
Of course it's a one sided view, because it's based on my own personal experiences, but my comments were aimed at those on here that base all of their comments not on actual experience but on heresy, Government mantra and the likes of the Tory press such as DM etc.
As regarding John Bloor, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Motorcycles_Ltd
Triumph Motor Bikes are still producing a product that according to Bikers that I used to know is a brilliant Bike that has no problems selling all they can produce
oldie
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/boy-gives-christmas-money-homeless-990021
Brought a tear to my eye. A Man City supporter too!
Brought a tear to my eye. A Man City supporter too!
London Lad
pfm Member
Exactly and its the same throughout. Public servants, especially councils of any sort, should have the most basic and economic office space available, out of town on industrial sites would be perfectly adequate. I really fail to see how they get away with squandering money on massive exotic building with fabulous facilities when the services they provide to the tax payer become more and more expensive and less and less effective.
clifftaylor
Absolutely retired!
Can you point me at the underlined palaces?
London Lad
pfm Member
Yes. Ipswich council thought it a good idea to cut 35M out of its care budget and build this in 2014. The inside is even more elaborate with glass suspended walkways, the staff canteen is like Quaglinos with modern art, ponds and water features.
jackbarron
Chelsea, London
Went to meet a mate for lunch who is a psychotherapist. He helps to run two drug/alcohol centres for a charity and has his own practice.
The guy is knocking his drug centre work on the head, because the charity is now focused on people who can pay quite a lot of money. His attitude is they should raise funds to help alcoholics/addicts in poverty.
He has decided to try and get a job working with the homeless instead. He can't stand seeing how many people live on the streets in London.
I'll happily give money to an organisation like Crisis. As for all of the other charities, well ...
Jack
The guy is knocking his drug centre work on the head, because the charity is now focused on people who can pay quite a lot of money. His attitude is they should raise funds to help alcoholics/addicts in poverty.
He has decided to try and get a job working with the homeless instead. He can't stand seeing how many people live on the streets in London.
I'll happily give money to an organisation like Crisis. As for all of the other charities, well ...
Jack
clifftaylor
Absolutely retired!
Hardly a palace - that's what modern buildings of that sort of purpose look like; and what did it replace? And I'd imagine that the council has had it's funding cut like all other councils over the last several years. "Public Services" have shrunk an awful lot over the last decade.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Also, with modern materials, building technologies, etc, I imagine that building might cost rather less to run than the estate it replaced, and may require less maintenance long-term, too.
Cav
pfm Member
Sounds good on the face of it but, apart from Ipswich, how many other examples do you have from all the Local Authorities in England and Wales? Also, how much would it cost to build on some out of town industrial estate - and how would peole who need access to Council services access them - and what would be done to existing Council Offices which would probably be very difficult to sell, other than in the South East, a fact you London types fail to acknowledge.
merlin
Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.
Makes me want to puke. Who are these people promoting particularly) middle class children as somehow being saintly for doing what thousands do silently for people who our taxes shoukd be helping?
So very “Daily Mail”. Those here and on Social Media should ask themselves some searching questions like “how would they feel if the homeless person was an immigrant and Muslim?
Minio
Kind of Sort of Not really...
I don't see why the public need to access the town halls in this day as everything can be done on line / telephone or in the post.
I think the point is that the average working person has absolutely no choice but to pay thousands of pounds to an organisation that looks after itself foremostly with little accountability.
A postman for example works from a shed with no gym or canteen and his/ her pension has been reduced dramatically from the defined benefits that council staff receive. Yet such people have no choice but to pay a large proportion of their income to keep a privileged class of workers in the style they enjoy.
I think the point is that the average working person has absolutely no choice but to pay thousands of pounds to an organisation that looks after itself foremostly with little accountability.
A postman for example works from a shed with no gym or canteen and his/ her pension has been reduced dramatically from the defined benefits that council staff receive. Yet such people have no choice but to pay a large proportion of their income to keep a privileged class of workers in the style they enjoy.
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
You have an ugly view of the world. A kid helps someone and you want to turn it to poison.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
Bullshit of the purest kind.
Even if your massive assumptions about accountability held any water, you completely ignore the fact that Local Councils are REQUIRED (By central govt.) to deliver services, are expected to deliver more, with less etc., and are audited.
And of course extrapolating from a sample of one, where you don't seem to have any evidence that your sample of one even supports your argument, is not a good strategy.