peterplantagenet
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All very interesting but wotsit got ta do with getting Brexit done!
Proof that intelligence doesn't always equate to common sense.Perhaps he was just channelling Rachel Riley..on the leaders debate/after wearing a t-shirt featuring a doctored pic of Corbyn at an anti apartheid demo(!!!!!);
“I didn’t feel comfortable knowing my workplace was to be full of racists tonight. I don’t endorse Boris, but I do endorse #NeverCorbyn".
https://www.news.com.au/entertainme...e/news-story/feb93a5b1b8cde6b794ca03a82534dbf
As regards Corbyn, I think his problem is not so much that he is an anti-semite but that he is just incapable of credibly dealing with the problem. Partly this is because he has such a long history full of questionable comments and associations but mostly it's because he is just a really, really bad politician and incapable of a complex political task like rebuilding trust with the Jewish community. Which is also his Brexit problem and generally my problem with him -- it's not that I think he is a racist, or a secret Brexiteer or a radical marxist but that he is just, well, terrible.
...it's not that I think he is a racist, or a secret Brexiteer or a radical marxist but that he is just, well, terrible.
Nicola Sturgeon aside, who would you say, amongst the current bunch, hits the heady heights of competent party leader in modern times. Someone who fits the bill to lead this country through the next 10 years or so.I agree with that entirely. I believe Corbyn to be a decent enough bloke with some good ideas, and likely a very good constituency MP, but he has absolutely failed to rise to the position of party leadership. His only conceivable advantage is the Tories are clearly a heck of a lot worse from any logical perspective. There is just no way in hell they should be heading for a parliamentary majority, but Corbyn’s failure will likely gift it to them.
I think it's worth remembering that Labour's problem is not that it's full of cross burning racists or people who want to build death camps but that it is institutionally racist. That is, the party is developing a culture and behaviour that fails to treat Jews as it treats others and we see this in things like its slow/poor handling of reports of antisemitism and how it allows situations like the Luciana Berger case. It is an entirely legitimate fear for Jews to wonder what would happen if such an organisation became the government even before we consider their history of being almost constantly on the receiving end of abuse, ethnic cleansings and genocides.
As regards Corbyn, I think his problem is not so much that he is an anti-semite but that he is just incapable of credibly dealing with the problem. Partly this is because he has such a long history full of questionable comments and associations but mostly it's because he is just a really, really bad politician and incapable of a complex political task like rebuilding trust with the Jewish community. Which is also his Brexit problem and generally my problem with him -- it's not that I think he is a racist, or a secret Brexiteer or a radical marxist but that he is just, well, terrible.
Nicola Sturgeon aside, who would you say, amongst the current bunch, hits the heady heights of competent party leader in modern times. Someone who fits the bill to lead this country through the next 10 years or so.
Nicola Sturgeon aside, .
Lots of people posting how Labour have failed to deal with anti-semitism.
The most egregious examples we've seen are hardly pointing to institutional racism/anti semitism. If you've got evidence/examples that are directly attributable the Labour Party members publish it. So we can see for ourselves.
Yes it's ironic but that doesn't make it true.Momentum and other 'far Left' types are constantly telling Brexit voters that they're a bunch of racists, or even Neo Nazis, how ironic for them to be accused of the one thing that they define themselves against.
The clue is in the phrase ‘failed to deal with’! Corbyn’s utter ineptitude has allowed what was only ever a trace element of truly moronic Labour extremists fizzing with visceral hatred towards Israel to dominate the party’s coverage for three years now. The two things the wider public at large ‘know’ about Corbyn’s Labour is a) they have no moral stance on Brexit, and b) they have a problem with Jews. I’m not saying either perception is true, but that is the narrative that has been allowed to define the party.
I think you are on dodgy ground there. Would you say that to a black person about racism? It is very difficult to question whether someone feels threatened?It's the fact that he's lost all sense of proportion that tells me that this is just a show. "What will become of Jews and Judaism in Britain if the Labour Party forms the next government?" Honestly!
I think you are on dodgy ground there. Would you say that to a black person about racism? It is very difficult to question whether someone feels threatened?
I am not Jewish so have no idea how I would feel about AS & the Labour Party.
And I'm saying in the interest of justice and fairness if you/we don't know the (evidence based) extent of the problem, you can't know the degree of failure to deal with it.The clue is in the phrase ‘failed to deal with’! Corbyn’s utter ineptitude has allowed what was only ever a trace element of truly moronic Labour extremists fizzing with visceral hatred towards Israel to dominate the party’s coverage for three years now. The two things the wider public at large ‘know’ about Corbyn’s Labour is a) they have no moral stance on Brexit, and b) they have a problem with Jews. I’m not saying either perception is true, but that is the narrative that has been allowed to define the party.
In the meantime Conservative Party policy has very directly killed/ruined the lives of countless ethnic minorities with venal policies such as the ‘Hostile Environment’, Windrush and Grenfell, plus high profile ex-Tory minister/Tory peer Baroness Wasi brand it ‘institutionally racist’. In any sane world the party would be sued back to the 18th century (where it clearly belongs) for corporate manslaughter or similar, yet Corbyn is to bloody dumb to recognise a clearly racist mural, presides over a party where Jewish MPs are bullied out etc, so that becomes the story. He is the exact opposite of a leader.
This is fine, doesn't change the fact that Labour have handed AS very badly. It doesn't change my central point that Labour supporters accuse people of effectively 'playing the race card' when it comes to AS in a way they never would with any other group.I've supplied a lot of considered material to support my argument - here's the last
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/rebuttals/