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War declared, Israel v Palestine...

Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
There seems to be a growing body of evidence that the state of Israel has influenced foreign and domestic policy in key western states, either by political or financial means, and is now deeply embedded in the fabric of those states' administrations. So, the likes of Biden have little choice but to voice support for Israel, and provide support by way of arms shipments, etc (see also, leaders in the UK) because they are, at least to a degree, worked from behind by people operating on behalf of the state of Israel. Hence why we see grotesque support for 'Israel's right to defend itself' when there's nobody challenging that right, but merely challenging Israel's right to commit genocide in pursuance of those aims.

And the repression of campus (and other) protests all seems to align to similar misgivings, that academia is similarly beholden to interests aligned with the state of Israel.

Money, as we know, talks. And Israel is the source of a lot of the most sophisticated electronic surveillance software used by states.

What worries me, quite aside from the actual, you know, genocide which is being carried out in plain sight, is that this belief aligns fairly well with my understanding of the position Hitler took against the Jews - they had their hooks into everything and altogether too much control and influence, and needed stopping. That aside from any 'Aryan supremacy' and racial purity arguments which, IIUC, came along later. It's all getting very dark. So many things are coming to a head at once.
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I think you are correct to note that your position is the one Hitler took: full stop.
 
Ben Gurion:
1. "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal, we have taken their country." Jewish Paradox pg 121
2. "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves...politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves." 1938
3. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan and Syria." 1948 to the General Staff.
 
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More details on the move to shut down Al Jazeera in Israel​

[balanced reporting banned in Israel - I wonder if the US will follow]

Israeli Haaretz newspaper has said that the government authorised Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi to order the cessation of the channel’s broadcasts in Israel, in Arabic and English; to close its offices in Israel; to confiscate equipment used by its personnel, with the exception of telephones and computers; and to limit access from Israel to the network’s website.
According to the Israeli government decision we reported earlier, Karhi has the authority to ban the channel from operating for 45 days, relying on the recently adopted law regulating closure of media institution.

www.aljazeera.com

Hamas says Netanyahu ‘hindering’ truce deal; talks to resume in Cairo

Hamas accuses Israeli PM of ‘personally hindering’ a ceasefire deal as second day of talks is set to resume in Cairo.
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Linus said:
I think you are correct to note that your position is the one Hitler took: full stop.
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I think there is a real danger that widespread opposition to the behaviour of Israel at the moment will result in a flourishing of open anti-Jewish feeling, and action, elsewhere. It happens because of the conflation of antisemitism with anti-Zionism. The people who militate for running together the two concepts like this may have opened a Pandora's box. That's their gamble I guess. So far, things are going very much the way of Israel's supporters, of course - but they are having to invest a lot of energy to keep it like that - and rather dangerously that includes promulgating misinformation (arguably) - like the claim that the student encampments in Europe and America are anti-Jewish.
 
mandryka said:
I think there is a real danger that widespread opposition to the behaviour of Israel at the moment will result in a flourishing of open anti-Jewish feeling, and action. It happens because of the conflation with antisemitism and anti-Zionism. The people who militate for running together the two concepts like this may have opened a Pandora's box.
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And the principal exponent of that conflation is Netanyahu... he and his Zionists are making it very difficult for Jews across the globe!
 
tiggers said:
And the principal exponent of that conflation is Netanyahu... he and his Zionists are making it very difficult for Jews across the globe!
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And the Jewish establishments in the diaspora all support him, as far as I can see. They're playing a dangerous game with high stakes.
 
MartinC said:
I believe the answer lies between the views expressed. Also consider that in the US money counts in politics as much as anything else, both parties are heavily influenced by AIPAC who contribute huge sums to their coffers, hence any actions that would go counter to AIPAC's agenda would seriously impact election race funding.
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Yep, AIPAC spends over a hundred million dollars a year making sure politicians are pro Israel, this is not part time hobby money. In addition it has been noticed that all the major porn sites are owned by pro Israelis which would give quite a bit of leverage over people if any information were to “leak” out. Plus the speculation of who Epstein and Maxwell were sharing information about the goings on in their cess pit.
 
^ why isn't accepting money from a foreign government (AIPAC and Israel Govt are same thing as far as I am concerned) an offence ?
why is a foreign government allowed to openly blackmail/bribe USA Senators etc ?
 
It clearly would be an offence if it was Iranian, Russian or Chinese money. Israeal are 'our' terrorists...
 

Israeli military orders Palestinians to evacuate from eastern Rafah: Reports​

[Here we go...]

Israeli media outlets are reporting that the Israeli military has begun ordering Palestinians living in neighbourhoods in eastern Rafah – near the perimeter fence with Israel – to evacuate from the area.
Israel’s Army Radio said the order comes before a “military attack” and that the Palestinians are being told to move towards camps for displaced people in Khan Younis and al-Mawasi areas.
More soon …

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Hamas says it accepts Gaza ceasefire deal proposal

The group informs Qatari and Egyptian officials of its acceptance as thousands ordered to evacuate Rafah by Israeli army
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Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
I ask myself 'why Israel?' on this point. Why not, for example, Saudi Arabia which is the major supplier for western oil and therefore a key strategic and geopolitical 'ally'; or Kuwait, or Jordan if you want a state with a slightly more 'progressive' outlook. Why, if you want a strategic outpost in the Middle East, would you align with the one state which all the other states hate and would remove given half a chance?
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In addition to historical contingency, the nature of settler-colonialism is also a vital factor. European colonialism in Africa and Asia had the purpose of military conquest, occupation and exploitation of natural resources and access to world markets. The wealth of the conquered territories was funnelled back to the mother countries. And although there were, for example, the Pied Noir French in Algeria and French colonists in Indo-China, by and large these were exceptional. Europeans had no compulsion, or even desire, to actually settle and live in those lands en masse. Rather (and the British were exceptionally skilled in this) a compliant indigenous middle class was cultivated that could be relied upon to service European imperialism (eg. the British Raj in India). An entirely distinct situation from European Ashkenazi Jews who viewed Palestine as a Jewish homeland, and who by necessity had to seize Palestinian land, or European colonists in the New World who had to exterminate the aboriginal population in their ever expanding westward colonisation of what is modern day Canada and the US.

Sovereign countries of the middle east, whose geopolitical and economic interests may, at specific conjunctures, align with the west (principally the U.S.) retain a distinct autonomy that will service first and foremost their own interests (i.e. the interests of their ruling class), and therefore their collusion with western imperialism is conditional rather than absolute.

Zionism was initially sponsored by European interests up to the conclusion of WW2 when the U.S. emerged as the predominant world power. Arch anti-Semite Winston Churchill was terrified of what had happened in Russia and was fanatical in his support of Zionism, which he believed acted as a powerful counter to Soviet Bolshevism, and the creation of a ‘Jewish’ homeland would also provide the additional benefit of keeping Jews out of Britain when they could settle Palestine instead. This attitude was betrayed by the Governor of Jerusalem, Ronald Storrs, who stated that the purpose of the Balfour declaration was to establish a “little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.”

Of course, since 1948 Israel has successfully developed as a nation state in its own right. And although it retains its massive dependency on US military aid for its survival, it has developed a highly lucrative cyber security industry and would be viable as an independent state in circumstances other than that which it finds itself. This has led to tensions between Zionism and its continued reliance on the U.S. Netenyahu seems determined to defy his paymaster, safe in the knowledge that the U.S. would never pull the plug on Israel as long as it serves US geopolitical interests in the Middle East.

Nevertheless, the creation of Israel as the dominant regional power was made possible by the fabrication of a settler-colonial class who were- at least initially- dependent on benefactors who furnished them with power and privilege compared to the conquered indigenous population; therefore cultivating loyalty in a manner far less problematic than it would have been in the case of Saudi Arabia. It would be quite a few decades before Israel started to bite the hand that feeds it.

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The "Set-Up" of Settler Colonialism: From the U.S. to Ireland to Palestine

How the rich and powerful have used settler colonialism to divide and rule over the global 99%
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wacko said:
^ why isn't accepting money from a foreign government (AIPAC and Israel Govt are same thing as far as I am concerned) an offence ?
why is a foreign government allowed to openly blackmail/bribe USA Senators etc ?
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Politicians should not be accepting money from any entity. It’s instructive that companies that operate internationally have really strict rules on hospitality, such you are pretty much limited to a pub lunch lest suspicions of bribery arise and there are strict penalties for breaching this. If you work for a company that deals with America you are warned about facing RICO charges. It’s not that the entire political system looks corrupt, it is corrupt. It’s not just Israel there corporations etc poisoning the system. There really should be no argument about politicians not being able to accept donations, trips abroad etc, it’s basically bribery.
 
MartinC said:
I believe the answer lies between the views expressed. Also consider that in the US money counts in politics as much as anything else, both parties are heavily influenced by AIPAC who contribute huge sums to their coffers, hence any actions that would go counter to AIPAC's agenda would seriously impact election race funding.
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Yes, quite a bit of money to plenty of people most won't have heard of, which is rather handy I guess.


And quite a few they will have heard of

 
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