Stunsworth
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He didn't come across very well at all on Newsnight. The thrust of his argument seemed to be that we'd been waiting too long, and we should agree to any deal brokered by the Tories, regardless of its impact.
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He didn't come across very well at all on Newsnight. The thrust of his argument seemed to be that we'd been waiting too long, and we should agree to any deal brokered by the Tories, regardless of its impact.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Labour need to fight fire with fire, if the Benn act is a surrender this deal is a worker and consumer betrayal on a massive scale and a bonus for Johnson's backers, speculators and non-Dom media owners. This needs to be rammed home to 'rebels'.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Raab this morning on R4,
“And, overall, what Northern Ireland businesses get is remaining part of the UK customs territory, no infrastructure at the border with the Republic and frictionless access to the single market. It is a cracking deal for Northern Ireland businesses”.
So it would seem frictionless access to the single market is great for business? WTF!
“And, overall, what Northern Ireland businesses get is remaining part of the UK customs territory, no infrastructure at the border with the Republic and frictionless access to the single market. It is a cracking deal for Northern Ireland businesses”.
So it would seem frictionless access to the single market is great for business? WTF!
Thank you. Sincerely.
I have thought for many years that Britain is on a knife edge. The solution to most of our problems is a proper socialist Labour government. It’s our only chance.
If we get Brexit and (God forbid) a Johnson hard right Tory government, the future for my kids and grandkids is truly grim and I’ll be urging them to head abroad.
Looking on the bright side, I’m hoping that it pans out like this
1. Boris loses the vote on his crap deal.
2. The LibDems ditch their vile historical support of the Tories and accept that Corbyn as an interim PM is the ONLY way there is any chance of achieving their avowed aim of stopping Brexit.
3. Nigel Farage’s narcissism gets a turbo boost and he puts Brexit Ltd candidates up for election and takes dozens of seats off the Tories.
4. Labour forms next Govt and negotiates a new deal and offers that deal v remain.
5. Britain votes remain and Labour move on to set country on the right course.
6. Tory Party destroyed.
I’m praying it happens.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
He didn't come across very well at all on Newsnight. The thrust of his argument seemed to be that we'd been waiting too long, and we should agree to any deal brokered by the Tories, regardless of its impact.
It sounded more like "I'm retiring soon and I don't want abuse on my doorstep".
Haha. I picked up on that one as well. Basically he said “The whole of Ireland have got a great deal but it’s shit for the rest of you”.
Now, if a bright bloke like you and a borderline numpty like me spotted that, how come the useless BBC ‘journalist’ didn’t seize on it?
The BBC are responsible for much of what’s happened during the whole Brexit farce. First they almost single handedly created UKIP by making Farage and Co the BBC house band and both before since the referendum they have repeatedly failed to challenge the lies and bullshit pumped out by the Brexiters. A perfect example of that is short arse Brigden. I’ve seen him interviewed on the BBC three times since yesterday. Not once has he been pinned down on his glaring hypocrisy.
I do believe that what Labour propose is better than what Johnson is offering. If Brexit is too happen, I would want a Brexit that means we have close regulatory and economic alignment that protects workers rights and environmental protections and things such as that. A soft Brexit would have been a fairer portrayal of what was a close referendum result.
Maybe Corbyn and Starmer (who I think is an excellent politician) could deliver this. That would be the better of two evils. I say that as no Brexit is good for this country in my mind. There is no such thing as the 'jobs first' Brexit Corbyn has talked about in the past. Any Brexit will damage this country and we absolutely should have a second referendum to confirm whether people still want this, now they know a lot more than in 2016.
irons1965
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Hats off to you there drood.
+1 a genuine tour de force post
eternumviti
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My guesstimate is an extension followed by a GE in November, and a probable landslide for BJ, followed by up yours delors. I strongly suspect that's the plan, anyway.
I don't know how Johnson will sell the broken 'dead in a ditch' promise, or buy off Farage, but I don't doubt that's all somewhere in the masterplan.
Colin Barron
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Blythe did vote 60% to leave.
wiresandmore
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Yes, agree - very good post - but if his record has been beyond reproach, why does the issue keep coming back to haunt Labour time and time again? Stella Creasy on Newsnight earlier in the week said this was a huge issue, embarrassing for Labour and there was much to do.
Another thing on Corbyn's EU view. I think he is of the firm opinion that being in the EU stops him from delivering his vision of turning Britain into some form of socialist state.
It doesn't and we will only be exposed further to the free market outside the EU.
That's why I don't understand the Lexiters who read the Morning Star. Corbyn is very much of that ilk.
It doesn't and we will only be exposed further to the free market outside the EU.
That's why I don't understand the Lexiters who read the Morning Star. Corbyn is very much of that ilk.
Herein lies the rub, too many Labour MPs represent constituencies that voted leave. How they're supposed to square that circle I've no idea.
thebigfredc
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Once in a generation was how it was touted not the best of two or last one wins.
Although, If the result had been 52/48 to Remain I have no doubt that Farage and UKIP would have carried on bleating too.
Rosalind
Although, If the result had been 52/48 to Remain I have no doubt that Farage and UKIP would have carried on bleating too.
Rosalind
Maybe it was a coded message to those who know what he means.
Tony L
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I’m suspecting the same timeline, but I certainly see no landslide for Johnson. He’ll likely be the largest party though. The odds would change if he does a formal deal/merger with Farage, but as it stands a GE will return a hung parliament. There is just no evidence to suggest anything else.
Remember a heck of a lot of Tory voters were ‘remain’ and utterly detest the dumbed-down far-right Trumpian popularism of Johnson. All the people who were at the Dominic Grieve, Heidi Allen, Sara Woolaston, Anna Soubry, Rory Stewart etc etc end of the party are now gone to the Lib Dems or not voting at all. Every single Tory I know, which admittedly is not many, is in this subset.
Stunsworth
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Perhaps “Big Mac with extra fries” would have been more appropriate.
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