ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Johnson?
Ukraine
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Nick_G
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Boris Yonsonov?
HiFiman
Don't tell him Pike
It's unthinkable if one nuclear bomb goes off in Europe. Putin has lost his mind his generals on the BBC video clip looked very nervous one was taking very deep breaths. Not sure how this will pan out hopefully one of his generals taps him on the shoulder and takes him away.
andvinylly
hit that long lunar note
that orange one from the US, forget his name now
Enfield boy
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Such a pity Maggie spaffed North Sea oil away in record time and destroyed our coal industry just out of spite. Those assets might've been useful to hang on to.
Most if not all such reports have ridiculous terms of reference, nearly always a whitewash.
kenniGT
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In times of war, we should match our opponent ;D Talking will do nothing.
ks.234
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While not in total disagreement with the moral principle for ‘taking out’ leader’s of countries with a nuclear deterrent on alert, wouldn’t there be quite a global death count by now if we did?
Enfield boy
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If "Dead Hand" and Putin's special briefcase are what is claimed any strike will result in total destruction. Hopefully the Russian generals can smell the covfefe and Putin suddenly developes a severe case of Covid, has to go to hospital and is next seen receiving a state funeral. As the "robber barons" are really in charge the only other hope is special forces/CIA etc hit a few oligarchs, pour encourager les autres.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
I think it’s more that 40 years. We have a long history of creating mechanisms to make the value of such things as gilts, treasuries and bonds, inviolable. Their inviolability is their value. If such things were made violable for small things like wars, their value would’ve been decimated many years ago. Lives are cheaper than destabilising a gentleman’s agreement
Let’s not forget that the Bank of England was formed to fund war.
I would like to think that there won't be a need to take out the oligarchs, simply stopping them from spending their time in London, St Tropez and Val d'Isere ought to work. Throw the kids out of the expensive schools, make them totally isolated. Then Putin will be invited to go into the drawing room with a stiff drink and do the decent thing.
cooky1257
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The Dead Hand system means that if, as is NATO policy we decapitate enemy control centres, the software will take over and launch everything they have left. It's beyond terrifying and I really wish the idiots here advocating limited nuclear exchanges would do some research and realise they are advocating Armageddon.
sean99
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Good job you didn't handle the Cuban missile crisis.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
And what would be the consequences of such action?
PsB
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Like all politicians that hold office that long, Merkel has had her share of howlers. The decision to pull the plug on nuclear in an emotional response to Fukushima and to curry favour with the green component of German public opinion was a corker, and ISTR many people here said so at the time (incl. one poster in Japan). OTOH she hasn't joined the Gazprom board yet, contrary to some of her predecessors; most people supported her decision on refugees (maybe something we disagree on?), and the course of events have proved her right on that one.
Speaking of bad energy decisions, the Tories deciding to entrust the construction of Britain's future nuclear power stations to the private sector is not looking so brilliant these days, either. It doesn't even meet the minimal threshold of "mercantile self interest". I mean, some of these things are going to end up owned by a nationalized French company collecting preferential electricity prices... and how do you feel about Cameron's decision to respectfully ask the Chinese to build Bradwell B?
kensalriser
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The primary objective must be to take out Putin now. Will his regime have any appetite to continue post his elimination?
ks.234
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What is the evidence that taking out Putin would see a regime change for the better as far as the West is concerned? If there is any it needs to be compared with the evidence that any regime change will likely be even more reactionary and even more justified in pointing to western aggression to justify extreme nationalism to promote jingoistic paranoia and make another Ukraine a matter of time
PsB
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Quite apart from the philosophical debate about the morality of eliminating foreign leaders we happen to disagree with, don't you think that's a tad risky considering said leader controls the second largest nuclear arsenal? What happens, for instance, if you end up nuking one of his body doubles instead, and the real Vlad gets really mad at yer?
There must be safer ways of helping the Ukrainians.
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