Tigerjones
Bagpuss
Show me the evidence of increased levels of thuggery on the day of a football match.
I didn't say it had increased. The clue is in what I wrote, Brian.
Show me the evidence of increased levels of thuggery on the day of a football match.
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Except he's right.
It seems people who have been up in arms for years at the erosion of civel liberties and such like believe someone convicted of a crime should never work again.
People may well claim that's not what they're saying but sadly it is exactly what people are saying. Either that or maybe it's simply because he's a footballer. Either reason is wrong.
I didn't say it had increased. The clue is in what I wrote, Brian.
He's a young man. I can't imagine how I would have handled the media at that age under positive circumstances let alone in this situation.I agree that the mob wouldn't be heard if he was applying for a job in a fast food joint but it's a poor choice of words to describe what's happened.
WARNING!!! I've broken the link in case this breaks AUP.
http://www DOT corestore.org/lc.htm
She's a disgrace to real rape victims.
He's a young man. I can't imagine how I would have handled the media at that age under positive circumstances let alone in this situation.
The people conducting the witch-hunt worry me far more than Ched Evans.
Having read the link and looked at the two words that you imagine are so important, it seems to me that you cannot say what they relate to and therefore they have no relevance. As they are they change nothing. Your last sentence should be deleted.
It would be more accurate say you don't want to know! You've made your mind up.
Does the fact she's alleged to have tried this previously not introduce any doubt?
Do those tweets look like the work of a distraught rape victim?
Why should that be deleted?
should be deleted because as things stand you have no grounds for making such a nasty and bitter assertion. Two people have had their lives wrecked not just one.She's a disgrace to real rape victims.
Anything you say about the two words is pure inference, they could relate to anything. You cannot state categorically they relate to the incident.
should be deleted because as things stand you have no grounds for making such a nasty and bitter assertion. Two people have had their lives wrecked not just one.
Not sure which 2 words you're referring to. Have you seen the bragging "Win big" tweets?
We'll have to disagree on that one. You have your opinion, I have mine based upon :
- Night porter listening in, heard no protest.
- She is allegedly known to have tried the same stunt before.
- Those tweets scream opportunist, not victim.
- She has been attacked by female rape victims & accused by them of being a disgrace to them.
Evans was convicted and denied leave to appeal. So the criminal case is very clear; he is a convicted rapist and the issue is not whether he is guilty or not. His CCRC application notwithstanding.
He has served his sentence and, as an important principle, should therefore be allowed to continue his life, including his right to work. Although I note he has not actually completed his sentence totally and remains on license and required to attend parole, etc. which is why he cannot play for a foreign club
However, a conviction for a serious crime is not consequence free. And if you work in a business where reputation and publicity matter -- football is pretty much show business -- then this is especially so. So I think it unrealistic to expect his career to resume as before and the reputational damage he brought upon himself is clearly going to have commercial implications with regard to sponsorship and the like. Nobody wants to see a picture of a rapist sporting their corporate logo.
I am far less comfortable with the twitterstorms and petitions as this seems to deny the important principle of having served one's sentence. It's one thing if nobody would offer him a job but actively seeking to stop him from accepting a job willingly offered is, I think, an obvious wrong at odds with our principles of justice.
"Win big" is exactly the 2 words. But where are they tied into the accusation of rape? Can you show me where the words relate to her pursuing a false accusation of rape.
The whole case is complex, but unless the verdict is changed when examined by the Criminal Cases Review Commission I haven't read anything that makes me think the jury got it wrong, but it must have been an extremely difficult decision. Had the case been dealt with under Scots Law there is a good chance from what I can see that the verdict would have been; not proven.
Oh, I know exactly what you said and it was typically nothing really. I expected sarcasm and pedantry and you dive straight in with both.
I just feel it's a great shame this material wasn't available to the jury.
Not Proven would surely be the right verdict here.
Well apart from it not being a verdict available in English law, the jury finding him guilty and a panel of 3 judges denying him leave to appeal.
I do find it rather bizarre that his girlfriend's dad is bank rolling his campign. Given the circumstances, it seems an odd thing to do.