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ROGERS STUDIO 3 spkrs.

If it helps anybody, I have a pair of Studio 9's which have the same rounded profile on the front as Alco's, and as far as I know, these are not 'Mk II's. Oddly, they have similar white-coned drivers as Alvie's photos, so I guess they are the same vintage.
They actually still sound great, after all these years
Cheers
John
 
they have similar white-coned drivers as Alvie's photos, so I guess they are the same vintage.
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You could be right John, but...the Studio-3's first came in exactly the same cabinet as the famous LS3/5a. At a later date they appeared in the (imho more ugly) cabinet with the rounded edges, but still with the white woofer, like this example:
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After that, just before/after Rogers was (unfortunately) taken ove by some asian company, they appeared with another tweeter, a more common black woofer, and gold-plated terminals. (those are the ones I have)

regards,
Alco
 
alco, sorry to say this, but aesthetically I'd pick yours, everytime.

The wooden front and the black woofers look a lot better IMO.
 
Really ?
Hmm,... It seems that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think my Rogers look horrible!
(I don't like the rounded edges and the colour looks sooo cheap and 70's, compared to the woodveneer on most LS3/5a's.)

Sonically, eventhough I now have N-Sats in my main-system, I can't seem to part with 'em.
They do have something special. I even preferred the Studio-3's to Stirlings V2 LS3/5a's.
(and not by a small margin)
 
hello everyone recently i've purchased a 2nd hand pair of early studio 3 (mk1). i basically just powered them with what ever equipment i've got at the moment (Musical Fidelity B200 Int amp) from a pro-ject 1xpression turntable + ortofon OMB10 MM via cambridge audio 540p photo stage. it's meant to be my budget system at the moment at first it all sound promising as i put on folk & classical music but when i play rock or anything with a mixed variety of instruments it sounds all blurred. i can pick up a small trace of buzzing noise from the speakers ( from the tweeters), slightly more buzzing on one particular channel than the other. Now i've checked all the connections wires n that (plus the drivers look flawless) i can't find a single problem with them. it seems to work well vocals & classical at modest volume but am not sure what the real problem is. I've opened the speakers up, checked the soldering on the crossover boards they're all healthy & to be honest i'm quite frustrated. (bear in mind i tested using from my phono stage as well as via line-in from ipod (i used a Chord company iChord its superb 3.5mm to 2rca cable so its definitely not the cable)

I've also managed to score a pair of budget bookshelf speakers with similar impedance and tested them but cuz they are quite poor quality ones they sound kinda blurry at modest volume anyways I just can't be sure if the amplifier is faulty.

the Muiscal Fidelity B200 integrated seems all healthy ( i had it for 6 years now ). There's not really a hi-fi specialist near where i am now its absolutely annoying i can't play any rock music cuz it just becomes a distortion nightmare. i'm playing Mark Knopfler right now its completely fine.

I wonder if that's the characteristics of the studio 3s (as if they're not meant for rock music) though i cannot possibly convince myself this because i've own a pair of Rogers LS3/5a in the past - they absolutely bonded with my Musical Fidelity A200 and would delivery the sweetest vocal but also give any rock tune a good kick in the bass.

If anyone could shed some light on this it would be greatly appreciated. Does anyone still use their studio 3s? can they play rock tunes at all? i understand that they only go as far down as 80Hz that's like mid-bass - so i expect the bass to be tamed but definitely wasn't expecting an overall blurry sound with an echoing buzz from the tweeters.

If it was problem with the tweeters where can i possibly acquire some??? what do you think the problem is? how can i make my rock music sound crisp again?
 
Alco said:
Hello Martyn,

IThe Rogers are fast, open, detailed and highly musical.
The B&W are...well, none of the above. (in my system)

Is it possible for you to place some pictures of your Studio-3's ?

regards,
Alco
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I have the LS5/9s and dem'd them against 805 and 805 sigs, no comparison, the 805s sounded dull and boring and the Rogers aren't bright
Everytime I hear B&W they sound crap , yet the world loves them!
 
The Mark 1 version of the Studio 3 appears to have the same woofer as their ported Mark 1 LS1 and LS2 loudspeakers (also used in the Chartwell PM55).
 
I currently have my Rogers Studio-3's packed in their original boxes again.
(since I got Naim N-Sats, last year)

Still,...I can't get myself to sell the ugly ducks either.
I'm fairly confident that these little speakers can really shine when perfectly matched, positioned and placed on really good stands. They're ruthlessly revealing.
Despite the fact that they sound fast, and open/transparent, with my Naim gear,
they could become a little to forward sometimes though and the treble a bit metallic.

One time when a dealer visited my place to deliver some stands for the Rogers, he said:
"They may look boring and cheap, but you should these little babies up to something like a Mark-Levinson amp!"

regards,
Alco
 
Hi Alco

I'm interested in the slate (?) slabs under your stands. Do they make a difference? I've got JM Labs Micro Utopia Be speakers on Linn Sara stands (in another thread some time ago I explained that I preferred the sound of these stands to the heavy and expensive granite ones that JM Labs offer!). I also tried a small slab of marble on top of the stand and under the speaker but it slightly deadened the sound. I don't have a slab big enough to go under the stands but wondered what difference it made to the sound? Cheers - and I think your speakers look fab too!
 
Just for the record, this is how I use mine.
Studio 3's with specially produced AB3 bass extenders and granite bits from HNE Granite. All held together with Blu tac. :)

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Hi Alco

I'm interested in the slate (?) slabs under your stands. Do they make a difference?
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Hi ex Brickie,

Well, to be honest, I haven't tried to place my stands without the marble slabs.
I orderded them many years ago, mainly to make sure the stands were standing rocksolid.
On some carpet, or for example my current, floating laminate floor, some (light) stands/speakers could become a little wobbly, without those heave marble slabs underneath.

I really like the look of Alco's too. I'd like to hear a pair one day
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You're welcome to come over and visit, but I assume I don't quite live 'next-door'! ;)
(btw, I still have the speakers, but sold the stands about 6 months ago)
 
If you don't mind me asking, what are the serial numbers of your Studio 3s? Martyn Miles
flamer said:
Hello everyone recently I've purchased a 2nd hand pair of early studio 3 (mk1). I basically just powered them with what ever equipment I've got at the moment (Musical Fidelity B200 Int amp) from a pro-ject 1xpression turntable + ortofon OMB10 MM via cambridge audio 540p photo stage. It's meant to be my budget system at the moment at first it all sound promising as I put on folk & classical music but when I play rock or anything with a mixed variety of instruments it sounds all blurred. I can pick up a small trace of buzzing noise from the speakers ( from the tweeters), slightly more buzzing on one particular channel than the other. Now I've checked all the connections wires n that (plus the drivers look flawless) I can't find a single problem with them. It seems to work well vocals & classical at modest volume but am not sure what the real problem is. I've opened the speakers up, checked the soldering on the crossover boards they're all healthy & to be honest I'm quite frustrated. (bear in mind I tested using from my phono stage as well as via line-in from Ipod (I used a Chord company IChord its superb 3.5mm to 2rca cable so its definitely not the cable)

I've also managed to score a pair of budget bookshelf speakers with similar impedance and tested them but cuz they are quite poor quality ones they sound kinda blurry at modest volume anyways I just can't be sure if the amplifier is faulty.

The Muiscal Fidelity B200 integrated seems all healthy ( I had it for 6 years now ). There's not really a hi-fi specialist near where i am now its absolutely annoying i can't play any rock music cuz it just becomes a distortion nightmare. i'm playing Mark Knopfler right now its completely fine.

I wonder if that's the characteristics of the studio 3s (as if they're not meant for rock music) though i cannot possibly convince myself this because i've own a pair of Rogers LS3/5a in the past - they absolutely bonded with my Musical Fidelity A200 and would delivery the sweetest vocal but also give any rock tune a good kick in the bass.

If anyone could shed some light on this it would be greatly appreciated. Does anyone still use their studio 3s? can they play rock tunes at all? I understand that they only go as far down as 80Hz that's like mid-bass - so i expect the bass to be tamed but definitely wasn't expecting an overall blurry sound with an echoing buzz from the tweeters.

If it was problem with the tweeters where can i possibly acquire some??? what do you think the problem is? how can i make my rock music sound crisp again?
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ex brickie said:
Hi Alco

I'm interested in the slate (?) slabs under your stands. Do they make a difference?
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I do something similar except my "slate slabs" are just big B&Q chopping boards. Like Alco, my stands wobble quite badly on carpet. If I blue tac my speakers to the stands, and the stands to the boards so that they don't budge, they sound better accross the board. Speaking of chopping boards - my "equipment rack" is just a pair of shelves I made from the same chopping boards and some wooden brackets. That works well too - passes the knuckle tap test better than those fancy pants glass and steel things.

Stu
 
Martyn Miles said:
If you don't mind me asking, what are the serial numbers of your Studio 3s? Martyn Miles
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I've a pair of Mk 1s. Bought second hand but fortunately in mint condition. Paid around 90 Quid equivalent in my country, Malaysia. I'm fond of collecting classics but only speakers and amps. Think technology in these have not advanced much and rather old stuff are designed with conviction and were made to last forever and easy to service. My collection include Spendor SP1/2s, Proac Tablette Mk 2 and Mission 752s.
Studio 3s were meant to have a more even bass response whereas 3/5as have a pronounced upper bass which one might think they have more bass. Elsewhere I find the mid band and high frequency similar. A few things I found out useful in Studio 3s set up:
1. Medium sized rooms preferred, around 200sf and have them fired across the shorter length. About 1 ft away from back wall toed in.
2. Amps solid state around 50 to 80 watts. I use them with Pioneer A 400.
3. Yes good solid stands and blu tac.
4. Solid core interconnects, and have your internal wires the same and soldered.
I've no problems playing rock music with my set up. Systemdeck turntable and Rotel CD870 front ends. Pink Floyd albums usually, although I listen mainly to jazz.
Your tweeter/s may be faulty. Try listening to them with the wires connected to the woofers disconnected. You can get them cheap from Madisound from the US. They stock many new classic parts. Recently I ordered a pair for my Spendors and arrived within a week from ordering.
 
p/s no slate or any heavy objects on speakers! They, just like all design for BBC speakers of yore are meant to 'breathe' utilizing light cabinets with lossy joints and bitumen dampened inside to control resonances.
 
Hi,

I just bought a pair of Rogers Studio 3. I lke the stands you use, what brand/model are they?.
thanks
marcos
Alco said:
Hello Martyn,

I also bought myself a pair of Rogers Studio-3's, early last year.
It seems like you've bought the (mk1) version of the Studio-3 which is different (though much better looking!) than my (mkII) version.
(I still haven't been able to find any information regarding the mk2 version, on the internet)

Yours have the same cabinet as the LS3/5a. My Studio 3 only has the same dimensions but they have curved edges on the front,
which give them a slighty more thin cabinet look. (like the very early LS3/5a)

Mine came in some ugly 70's-look walnut veneer.
(although the manual states that they were also available in rosewood and black ash)

recommended positioning/placement, according to my Studio-3 manual:
"The Studio 3 will sound at its best when mounted on high mass supports approximately 60cm high./
On dedicated stands with maximum distance 150mm(6") from rear wall."

I must say I got best results moving about 300mm(12") from the rear wall.

Here's a few pics:
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rogers_back.JPG


I currently have some B&W N805's in the house, and even though they look way much better than the ordinary Rogers,
the Rogers piss all over 'em. :D

The Rogers are fast, open, detailed and highly musical.
The B&W are...well, none of the above. (in my system)

Is it possible for you to place some pictures of your Studio-3's ?

regards,
Alco
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I like the stands you use, what brand/model are they?.
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Hi Marcos,

The stands I used are dedicated LS3/5a stands, from Italian manufacterer MusicTools.
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They're very heavy and prefilled. For more info see: http://www.musictools.eu/ENG/prodotti/toolone.html

Unfortunately, they raised the price of these stands last year, from expensive to absurdly priced! :( :confused:
(when I bought them they were €720,-/pair. Now they've gone up to €1095,-/pair!) :eek:
 
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