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Right To Repair

Discussion in 'audio' started by Tony L, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    How many would be able to change a mains plug if the wiring diagram wasn’t made available? Would denying the end-user this information make the world a safer place?

    Where do you draw the line? Should we ban electric drills, jigsaws, routers etc? Lawnmowers? Hedge-trimmers? All cause lots of injuries each year.
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  2. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Ban the avocado I say.
  3. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    I am not sure that designers are deliberately avoiding repair criteria. Rather it is the case that the product is designed for 'manufacturability' at a low cost and access for repair is not part of the design spec. So much functionality and electronics gets buried in proprietary or customised chips that making a supply available for say 40 years of repair is not practical. Things (technologies) are moving quicker these days - you can hardly expect a DAC/SMPS/Streamer/TV to need a 40 year life. A old-style discreet analogue amp, maybe. Most things are cheap enough to replace every 10 years. For instance a mobile phone is pretty much old in 4 years, an antique by 10 years and quite unusable within less than 20.

    Better recovery of old devices for mining of useful elements would be a good step.
  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    This is quite interesting, though mainly for Louis’s reactions rather than the pretty low quality original Canadian TV show content (looks about the level of The Gadget Show or whatever). His comments on the iPhone 7 audio chip highlighting the gulf between corporate attitude and something what is (in his view) very easy to repair. The good thing it is does highlight the overall concept of Right To Repair is gaining real traction in the mainstream.
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  5. Old Shatterhand

    Old Shatterhand pfm Member

    @Tony L : The guy is so funny. I love his rant about bullshitting customers, especially when he raise his voice that high.:D
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  6. jamjar

    jamjar pfm Member

    Applause to Belling, my oven recently burned through a backplate and after 10 years I expected to have to buy another oven. I was surprised that the part was still available and easily identified on their web site. It was also pitched at a fair price and very easy to fit.

    Less on topic, but I also need to replace some kitchen unit doors on which the veneer has shrunk as they were adjacent to the aformentioned oven. Again, 10 years after purchase the company are still making the same pattern and with the same colourways. Another win! If the topic arises both companies will be strongly recommended by me in the future.
  7. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    If only hifi and mobile phones were as simple as a cooker!
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  8. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    I agree that people do need clear notices to the effect that any form of 'repair' etc has to be done with due care and knowledge. And that unless authorised by the makers or their agents is done at the risk of the person doing such 'repair'. The Law should be clear enough on this point, also.

    However I don't regard that as justification for witholding the key info *when an item has been 'orphaned' by its makers*. If they no longer wish to make or service it, then they should release the info others may need to do repairs which then remain feasible. The argument that competitors will 'steal' the info seems dubious to me *once the original makers have abandoned it*.

    So we have two classes. One where makers will do service work, or upgrades to the most recent spec, for a reasonable charge OR should make the info available for others who may wish to have a go - or even make similar items. Playing the 'IPR card' for things you no longer intend to make seems shaky as an an excuse for refusing.

    And TBH companies keeping such info 'secret' actually can make it *easier* for another company to rip off the details and do the same in a different guise. So the secrecy can make IPR ripoff *easier*, not harder.

    Plus the reality is that most 'new' designs are simply a tweaked up version based on a mountain of previous work by other people. Then hidden under a box to obscure how little is actually 'new'. A point anyone looking at the work of Marconi or Edison will know very well.

    So I'm with Tony on this.
  9. djftw

    djftw Heterodox Member

    I'd draw it a long way the other side; I think it's criminal I'm not supposed to do my own gas plumbing, especially when registered gas engineers don't seem to know how to solder any more and I end up repairing leaks they have left... Every single time I end up using one for the sake of legal compliance! It's a flipping con to let British Gas Homecare et al rip people off left right and centre, my late Granda used to teach 12 year olds how to do this stuff for goodness sake...

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