Cereal Killer
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Hi,
Where is your proof that the person actually did hear a benefit ?.
Do you know you are insulting someones intelligence with your fairly self-righteous statement?
Hi,
Where is your proof that the person actually did hear a benefit ?.
Hi,I'll ask again just in case you missed it; Do you know what it really is and does ... (under the skin) .... or are you simply objecting to what its called?
Hi,Do you know you are insulting someones intelligence with your fairly self-righteous statement?
Difference is I’m not trying to sell anything Keith. Nor am I making technical claims that I can’t substantiate. I just happen to like the sound of my DAC with my speakers. With them I find I am more likely to achieve the state of ecstatic transcendence that I cherish when I listen to great music. It is a personal thing.Andy you believe that Chord DACs sound better than anything else, yet there is no evidence from their measurements that they do.
Perhaps both you and Nick could take the same unsighted public comparison?
Keith
Hi,
I think people are viewing the perceived effect of USB reclockers wrong.
If you are spending however many £100's or £1000's on a USB reclocker for your £100's or many £1000's DAC, then you should not be viewing it that the USB reclocker makes an improvement.
You should take the approach, why you have spent such a vast sum on a DAC for another product (USB reclocker) to put right the engineering incompetence of your many £1,000's DAC.
What ever the claimed improvement of the USB reclocker, you do have to ask yourself why doesn't your existing DAC implement the reclocker technology anyway.
This is not to say that the USB reclocker works, but that you believe it works, and happily accept that you need the additional cost of the USB reclocker in addition to your existing DAC costs.
Regards,
Shadders.
Hi,Shadders, you've misunderstood this completely.
I'd expect my £1000s DAC to be so resolving that it can reveal what a very expensive reclocker can do. A DAC has to be good enough for the reclocker to make a difference to it.
Obviously.
Hi,
No, it is exactly the opposite.
If your very expensive DAC is affected by a data interface connection, then you have a seriously f*cked up DAC design.
All that matters is the I2S signal and local clock - these are three digital lines, bit, bit clock and word clock, and relevant clock for audio, which the DAC IC accepts. If the DAC digital design is affected by any other signal, it is an utter sh!te design.
Regards,
Shadders.
Sorry, my sarcasm sense wasn't tingling.Shadders, I was joking!
Hi,
No, it is exactly the opposite.
If your very expensive DAC is affected by a data interface connection, then you have a seriously f*cked up DAC design.
All that matters is the I2S signal and local clock - these are three digital lines, bit, bit clock and word clock, and relevant clock for audio, which the DAC IC accepts. If the DAC digital design is affected by any other signal, it is an utter sh!te design.
Regards,
Shadders.
Hi,Are you a qualified dac/digital designer?
It’s interesting that this reclocker was claimed to make a difference to a Kii Control. Checking it out, there is no mention of an asynchronous USB interface, or any kind of galvanic isolation, and it would seem to get some of its power down the proprietary Kii Link CAT5. It maybe that the USB interface is self-powered. It is the case that Paul Miller has measured big improvements in the jitter and noise performance of USB powered DACs when driven from servers like the Melco and Roon. Maybe the USB implementation of the Kii Control leaves something to be desired.Hi,
No, it is exactly the opposite.
If your very expensive DAC is affected by a data interface connection, then you have a seriously f*cked up DAC design.
All that matters is the I2S signal and local clock - these are three digital lines, bit, bit clock and word clock, and relevant clock for audio, which the DAC IC accepts. If the DAC digital design is affected by any other signal, it is an utter sh!te design.
Regards,
Shadders.
Hi,
I think people are viewing the perceived effect of USB reclockers wrong.
If you are spending however many £100's or £1000's on a USB reclocker for your £100's or many £1000's DAC, then you should not be viewing it that the USB reclocker makes an improvement.
You should take the approach, why you have spent such a vast sum on a DAC for another product (USB reclocker) to put right the engineering incompetence of your many £1,000's DAC.
What ever the claimed improvement of the USB reclocker, you do have to ask yourself why doesn't your existing DAC implement the reclocker technology anyway.
This is not to say that the USB reclocker works, but that you believe it works, and happily accept that you need the additional cost of the USB reclocker in addition to your existing DAC costs.
Regards,
Shadders.
Hi,
. . . ..If your very expensive DAC is affected by a data interface connection, then you have a seriously f*cked up DAC design.
All that matters is the I2S signal and local clock - these are three digital lines, bit, bit clock and word clock, and relevant clock for audio, which the DAC IC accepts. If the DAC digital design is affected by any other signal, it is an utter sh!te design.
Regards,
Shadders.
Hi,It’s interesting that this reclocker was claimed to make a difference to a Kii Control. Checking it out, there is no mention of an asynchronous USB interface, or any kind of galvanic isolation, and it would seem to get some of its power down the proprietary Kii Link CAT5. It maybe that the USB interface is self-powered. It is the case that Paul Miller has measured big improvements in the jitter and noise performance of USB powered DACs when driven from servers like the Melco and Roon. Maybe the USB implementation of the Kii Control leaves something to be desired.
Hi,From what you are saying it seems to me that you ARE saying the Kii 3 DAC "is an utter sh!te design" if it was affected by the Phoenix as reported by the OP (and I accept that at this stage it is an if).
Have I got that right? Note I am NOT vouching for the OP's statement, merely asking the question.
Yes, that's indeed clear from the Innuos video.Let's not forget the Phoenix also removes and replaces the 5v line, maybe that's how it improves the sound, if indeed it makes any measurable difference at all.
Hi,
There is a claim that someone heard a difference. This is not proven. Without proof, then no other statement can be attributed to the equipment performance.
The only method to see if the speakers were affected is by measurements.
Regards,
Shadders.