tones
Tones deaf
The epistle to the Galatians is one long tantrum against Judaisers seeking to force OT law on Gentile converts.
Post-Trump: III (decline, further tantrums, legal proceedings, book deals etc)
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Bjork67
pfm Member
What is going on over there? Its bonkers how this shit is even being discussed. Will they bring back dinosaurs and cave dwelling. What about the Religous folk that cant keep their hands off underage children? Imagine the USA without the lyrics of Goodness gratious you cant touch come on baby light my baby sex is on fire? . How is this shit even being discussed as having a chance of happening. Its the twilight zone by outside interference.
Craig B
Re:trophile
Yes, that's the only reason why the book has sold so well over the centuries.
tones
Tones deaf
Correct. And that's the annoying thing - this one narrow view of one segment of the population is going to be foisted on everyone else.
Yank
Bulbous Also Tapered
How the Alabama IVF Ruling Was Influenced by Christian Nationalism | On the Media | WNYC Studios
Apostles, prophecies, and a thirst for power
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In the latest battle over reproductive health care, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are children. Shortly after, the state's largest hospital said it would pause IVF treatments, leaving couples with fertility problems with incredibly few options. But what made headlines in the aftermath of the ruling was the particular vocabulary used by Chief Justice Tom Parker in his concurring opinion—namely, quotes from the Bible.
It's no secret that Parker is loath to separate church and state, but his preferred brand of Christian fundamentalism has mostly flown under the radar—until now. Justice Parker subscribes to the charismatic evangelical Christian leadership networks known as the New Apostolic Reformation, or the NAR, a term coined in 1996. This week, Brooke sits down with Matthew D. Taylor, scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, & Jewish Studies in Baltimore and author of the forthcoming book, The Violent Take It by Force: The Christian Movement That Is Threatening Our Democracy, to talk about how a movement, once on the fringe of America’s religious landscape, is slowly emerging as a political force.
This is a segment from our February 23, 2024 show, Christian Nationalism is Reshaping Fertility Rights, and Books Dominate at the Oscars.
Alabama justice who ruled embryos are people says American law should be rooted in the Bible
Tom Parker, chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, expressed his support for the Seven Mountains Mandate, a once-fringe philosophy that calls on evangelical Christians to reshape American law and society based on their beliefs.
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Alabama justice who ruled embryos are people says American law should be rooted in the Bible
Tom Parker, chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, expressed his support for the Seven Mountains Mandate, a once-fringe philosophy that calls on evangelical Christians to reshape American law and society based on their beliefs.Feb. 22, 2024, 6:50 PM CST
By Mike Hixenbaugh
On the same day that Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Tom Parker handed down an opinion declaring that fertilized frozen embryos are people, imperiling women’s access to in vitro fertilization treatments, he espoused support for a once-fringe philosophy that calls on evangelical Christians to reshape society based on their interpretation of the Bible.
During an online broadcast hosted by Tennessee evangelist Johnny Enlow on Friday, Parker suggested America was founded explicitly as a Christian nation and discussed his embrace of the Seven Mountains Mandate — the belief that conservative Christians are meant to rule over seven key areas of American life, including media, business, education and government.
“God created government, and the fact that we have let it go into the possession of others, it’s heartbreaking,” Parker said in the interview, first reported this week by Media Matters for America, a liberal nonprofit media watchdog. “That’s why he is calling and equipping people to step back into these mountains right now.”
Hours before the interview was published, Parker issued a concurring opinion in a case in which he and his fellow justices ruled that frozen embryos have the same rights as living children under Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act.
Parker wrote that Alabama had adopted a “theologically based view of the sanctity of life” and that “life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God.” To support his legal opinion, Parker repeatedly cited the book of Genesis, including a passage asserting that all people are created in God’s image.
“Even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God,” Parker wrote, “and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”
Parker did not respond to messages requesting comment. In a written statement, Enlow said, in his view, the Seven Mountains Mandate encourages Christians to fight for their values in government and elsewhere to aid “in the healing of society.”
“It is not sinister to desire a voice and relevance in political matters,” said Enlow, who in 2020 suggested that then-President Donald Trump could impose martial law to remain in office following his electoral defeat. “I am pretty sure that is why every citizen takes the time to vote.”
Parker’s statements — in his remarks to Enlow and in his written opinion — are the latest examples of Republican politicians and elected officials embracing the Christian nationalist view that America’s laws should be rooted in a fundamentalist reading of the Bible.
The Alabama chief justice’s embrace of the Seven Mountains Mandate, in particular, signaled the growing influence of a once-fringe political and religious theology that’s been spreading in recent years among certain segments of evangelical Christians, said Matthew D. Taylor, a senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies in Maryland.
“The Seven Mountains is not about democracy,” said Taylor, who has studied the role Christian extremism played in efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election and the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. “In fact, I would argue that the Seven Mountains itself is a vision that is antidemocratic.”
Adherents of the ideology have grown in prominence and power in the years since the 2016 election, when Trump became an unlikely hero of the Christian right and cultivated relationships with celebrity pastors who preach the Seven Mountains Mandate. Parker is the latest in a line of prominent Republicans to openly embrace the concept, Taylor said.
Charlie Kirk, the MAGA influencer and founder of Turning Point USA, celebrated the GOP’s shift under Trump when he told attendees at the Conservative Political Action Conference in 2020, “Finally we have a president that understands the seven mountains of cultural influence.”
In 2022, Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado called on attendees at a political conference hosted by a group with a mission to “reform the nation via the Seven Mountains” to “rise up” and place “God back at the center of our country.”
House Speaker Mike Johnson, the nation’s highest-ranking Republican, also has ties to pastors and activists who preach the Seven Mountains. Johnson, like Parker, has aligned himself with the evangelical activist and self-styled historian David Barton, a leading promoter of the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation whose laws should reflect biblical principles.
Barton and other Seven Mountains proponents argue that the idea of separation of church and state, regarded by many as a bedrock of American democracy, is a myth invented by progressives based on a misreading of Thomas Jefferson’s famous 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists. And any laws or court rulings limiting the influence of religion in schools and government — such as the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1962 and 1963 decisions banning mandatory public school prayer and Bible readings — are an affront to America’s true founding.
These ideas aren’t only gaining influence among preachers and politicians, experts say. In a survey last year, Paul Djupe, a political scientist at Denison University, found that about 20% of American adults — and 30% of Christians — agreed with the statement that “God wants Christians to stand atop the ‘7 mountains of society,’ including the government, education, media, and others.”
Prior to conducting the survey, Djupe expected to discover only marginal support for the Seven Mountains concept.
“It turns out,” he said, “a substantial number of Americans believe these things.”
Parker echoed Barton’s views about America’s founding during his interview with Enlow, after Enlow asked the chief justice to comment on the growing use of the phrase “Christian nationalism” among those who support the separation of church and state.
“This is an undefined term that’s being thrown around now to label people, and I have no idea what they mean by or what should be meant by it,” said Parker, who then defended his view that America’s “original form of government” was based on the Bible.
“It’s constitutional,” Parker said. “It’s our foundation.”
The Alabama ruling dealing with in vitro fertilization, or IVF, offers a picture of what that worldview might look like in practice and how it might affect the lives of regular citizens, Taylor said.
After Parker and his colleagues issued their ruling, the state’s largest hospital paused IVF treatments while it considered the legal repercussions of the decision.
Taylor said it was “jaw-dropping” to hear a state supreme court chief justice espousing a theology that he views as antidemocratic “while making very extreme decisions.”
But, he added, “this is the new reality of our politics.”
Yank
Bulbous Also Tapered
Trump says his criminal indictments boosted his appeal to Black voters
Former President Donald Trump claims his multiple criminal indictments have boosted his support among Black Americans because they see him as a victim of discrimination.
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Trump says his criminal indictments boosted his appeal to Black voters
By MATT BROWN
Updated 3:42 PM CST, February 24, 2024
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Former President Donald Trump claimed Friday that his four criminal indictments have boosted his support among Black Americans because they see him as a victim of discrimination, comparing his legal jeopardy to the historic legacy of anti-Black prejudice in the U.S. legal system.
Trump argues he is the victim of political persecution, even though there is no evidence President Joe Biden or White House officials influenced the filing of 91 felony charges against him. Earlier in the week, Trump compared himself to Alexei Navalny, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top domestic rival, who died in a remote Arctic prison after being jailed by the Kremlin leader.
“I got indicted for nothing, for something that is nothing,” Trump told a black-tie event for Black conservatives in South Carolina ahead of Saturday’s Republican primary. “And a lot of people said that’s why the Black people like me, because they have been hurt so badly and discriminated against, and they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against. It’s been pretty amazing but possibly, maybe, there’s something there.”
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Trump says his criminal indictments boosted his appeal to Black voters
Former President Donald Trump claims his multiple criminal indictments have boosted his support among Black Americans because they see him as a victim of discrimination.
Trump says his criminal indictments boosted his appeal to Black voters
By MATT BROWN
Updated 3:42 PM CST, February 24, 2024
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Former President Donald Trump claimed Friday that his four criminal indictments have boosted his support among Black Americans because they see him as a victim of discrimination, comparing his legal jeopardy to the historic legacy of anti-Black prejudice in the U.S. legal system.
Trump argues he is the victim of political persecution, even though there is no evidence President Joe Biden or White House officials influenced the filing of 91 felony charges against him. Earlier in the week, Trump compared himself to Alexei Navalny, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top domestic rival, who died in a remote Arctic prison after being jailed by the Kremlin leader.
“I got indicted for nothing, for something that is nothing,” Trump told a black-tie event for Black conservatives in South Carolina ahead of Saturday’s Republican primary. “And a lot of people said that’s why the Black people like me, because they have been hurt so badly and discriminated against, and they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against. It’s been pretty amazing but possibly, maybe, there’s something there.”
Delusional victimhood is nothing new with narcissistic criminal lunatics.
"I have spent the best years of my life giving people the lighter pleasures, helping them have a good time, and all I get is abuse, the existence of a hunted man."
Al Capone.
Delighted to see the result - 60% is nowhere near enough in the SC Primary for Trump. It’s a really bad sign for him and no amount of incoherent, lies and unhinged ramblings will change that.
The New York County clerk entered judgment signed by Justice Engoron — the total for Trump is $454,156,783.05.
$111K/day in interest apparently. Saudi and Russia to step in?
Or maybe the RNC?
"Lara Trump says she thinks GOP voters would like to see RNC pay Donald Trump's legal fees" (AP)
$111K/day in interest apparently. Saudi and Russia to step in?
Or maybe the RNC?
"Lara Trump says she thinks GOP voters would like to see RNC pay Donald Trump's legal fees" (AP)
Tony L
Administrator
If he does what he and some other GOP extremists have said democracy and the rule of law ends as soon as he enters the Whitehouse. His conceptual model looks to be Putin. That is the sort of control he seeks. I suspect his GOP will need to be removed with another civil war if he wins. There won’t be any further elections in any real sense.
les24preludes
pfm Member
Americans have a habit of assassinating presidents they want to see the back of.
Trump should be careful about buying theatre tickets or taking trips to Dallas.
kensalriser
pfm Member
JFK is the most popular post-war president by far, so the evidence would seem to point the opposite way.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Indeed. Besides, it’s Trump’s lot with most of the maniacs with guns.
tones
Tones deaf
Actually only four (Lincoln, McKinley, Garfield, Kennedy) out of 46 in a country where gun ownership has always been plentiful. But then, only one British Prime Monster (out of 56) has been assassinated.
Plus Bobby Kennedy. In advance.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
She has her eye on the next election. Without MAGA votes, she would have little chance this time round and I can’t see them turning out for her after slagging off (however belatedly) their hero. I think her role is to keep Trump from cleaning up on the donations front. The big donors do not see themselves paying Trump’s legal fees, or wasting vast sums on another defeat.
Enfield boy
pfm Member
Last far-right, tea party type loon standing?