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People's Vote march on the 19th of October

Smell the envy, marvel at the second hand ignorance. What do you think Sadiq Khan was doing leading it then?
I need envy no man or woman. Today showed why this country is in a mess & will continue down this road while the likes of those demonstrating today & those in parliament continue to be either too blind to see or so pig ignorant as not to understand what the hell is happening in this country.
 
I need envy no man or woman. Today showed why this country is in a mess & will continue down this road while the likes of those demonstrating today & those in parliament continue to be either too blind to see or so pig ignorant as not to understand what the hell is happening in this country.
You missed out 98 genders out there. They'll reroute the march outside your house if you are not careful.
 
while outside a jamboree protest lead by a bunch of middle class uni types on a day out who wouldn't know what Austerity was if it hit them smack in the face.

Those “middle class uni types” are the people with jobs, with businesses, the people with the intellect to create, innovate and employ people. They are exactly the people who pay the tax people less able require to survive. Honestly, you really haven’t the slightest clue what is coming do you?! Hint: you haven’t seen ‘austerity’ at all yet if Johnson, Rees Mogg etc get their way.
 
I went to the demo today, counted everybody in and reckon there were 1,000,002 people there. The last two were me and a woman who once owned a shop in Covent Garden. She used to design clothes, jewellery and put on acid house parties. The lady wanted to dance behind a mobile sound-system, so that's what she did. Ed Chemical was among the DJs who played.

It took a long time to get from Hyde Park and onto Picadilly. We got as far as Old Park Lane and it started raining. So we retired to a pub, where we bumped into people we knew. At this point we learned Letwin's amendment had passed and Johnson pulled the Brexit bill. I also found out that Chelsea had beaten Newcastle and Spurs lost their game. The latter was the most important news of the day. :D

On the tube into central London this morning, a lady in her Sixties from Poland sat next to me. A former Tory voter, she wished me the best of luck on the demo but said we wouldn't win. She has given up supporting the Tories, because they are too right-wing and now votes for the Lib-Dems. I told her I was a socialist, but will vote Green in future.

She said she was glad she is old and feels sorry for the generation coming through. They have major political and climate problems to deal with worldwide and there doesn't seem to be a straightforward solution.

We both agreed that racism and nationalism is on the rise in England, no matter what happens concerning Brexit. She thinks the Tory Party and its drift to the far right is central to this.

Jack
 
I need envy no man or woman. Today showed why this country is in a mess & will continue down this road while the likes of those demonstrating today & those in parliament continue to be either too blind to see or so pig ignorant as not to understand what the hell is happening in this country.
Wait till Johnson gets his way. You’ll get to see hell then.
 
What makes me laugh is the media claim not to be able to work out how many people were on the march to the nearest 100K yet the technology exists in London to do exactly this. I will leave you to speculate as to why they might not want to reveal these numbers.

March was very good, excellent atmosphere, but I do feel that many now think we are fighting a losing battle. As for the MPs like Leadsome who claim they were abused leaving the HoC I can only imagine they must have very thin skins.... compared to what the likes of Baroness Chakrabarti has had to put up with from the bully boys arm of the Brexit mob!
 
A banner that struck a chord from the march yesterday read

“Dad, I love you but you are wrong about Brexit”.

Brexit is such a destructive force and is destroying so much of value.
 
my son and i had a very noisy exchange across a very busy Pub when brexit was announced , he was in favour and i was against . he still loves me though. think most of the folks there thought we were nuts !
 
What makes me laugh is the media claim not to be able to work out how many people were on the march to the nearest 100K yet the technology exists in London to do exactly this. I will leave you to speculate as to why they might not want to reveal these numbers.

March was very good, excellent atmosphere, but I do feel that many now think we are fighting a losing battle. As for the MPs like Leadsome who claim they were abused leaving the HoC I can only imagine they must have very thin skins.... compared to what the likes of Baroness Chakrabarti has had to put up with from the bully boys arm of the Brexit mob!

I agree that there was mostly a good, positive atmosphere, even when we were effectively trapped in parliament square and it was raining.

But I don’t agree about the losing battle part. The feeling I have, and which was bolstered yesterday, is that a second vote is more likely than ever. Another march attendance among the highest ever when opponents hoped it would be significantly down on previous PV marches, 4 front bench Labour MPs on stage addressing the crowd, including probably the biggest cheer out of all the speakers for Keir Starmer, increasing rumours of support in Westminster, even the DUP being rumoured to come round.

Amidst the banner spotting (personal favourites included a load of coloured squiggles with the legend ‘Pollocks to Brexit’ and the miffed clown with a sign imploring The Johnson to ‘Stop giving us a bad name’), it was interesting and encouraging to see ‘Young Conservatives for a People’s Vote’, underlining the more politically neutral, essentially democratic aspect of the PV cause.

I don’t think any of that necessarily means it’s actually going to happen. The forces arrayed against another vote are various, determined and formidable. But yesterday was definitely a contribution to moving another vote from being a hope to a genuine possibility.
 
I listened to radio 4 yesterday and it seems pretty obvious that there should be a second referendum, with what the layman knows today.

Results might surprise though, and don’t forget about the sheer ability of politicians to reverse a situation and people’s opinions from one day to the other, to make any polls lie.
 
I think we need a Ref2 before a GE, so the GE can be won on the basis of genuine policies, not with Brexit as the putrefying elephant in the room.

At the risk of overlapping the main Brexit thread, I agree, and the existence of Johnson’s deal now makes it doable IMO.

The most sensible and democratically valid thing now is for the deal to pass with an amendment saying it’s subject to a confirmatory vote. And for that vote to be binding, for two reasons. One, so there’s no chance of carping along the lines of ‘well what do you want if it goes wrong, are we to have a third and fourth vote before remainders are satisfied?’. And two, so that rules on spending, what you can get away with saying and doing etc which appear to have been more easily violable in the first campaign because it was non-binding can’t be ignored.
 
I don't think the 'binding' part will fly. A Binding referendum has to, from memory, get 2/3 of the votes to be enacted. That'll never happen, either way, so the losing side would just cry 'foul' as the vote would be inconclusive. And whichever was the 'losing' side would depend on what the question was, which is up to Government to decide.
 


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