ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes. P&O has already admitted that it has added court costs onto severance pay so worker will likely not be better off even if the do win an unfair dismissal claim.
P&O Ferries Scandal
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Spraggons Den
pfm Member
The rush to the bottom continues - in the age of global capitalism. It seems maritime law circumvents national laws - I hope their ferries sink with the board of directors on board.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Maritime law may have precedence, but ships need to dock. Countries have leverage and they should use it.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Along with passengers and crew?
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Good point, if a country can seize an oligarch’s yacht, it must have the power to refuse entry to one of their ports or at least to refuse to allow non unionised workers to load and unload?
Bananahead
pfm Member
Are you really suggesting that the authorities insist on union membership? That would be so funny.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
You are quite right, that was very badly worded. Written before my 4th cup of coffee, so I wasn’t awake. I should’ve said something like, workers protected and paid according to UK law, (gained as a result of unions), but it seemed clumsy.
Bananahead
pfm Member
I'm not sure. I think the best that could happen is to ensure that all workers inside the UK (land, water, air, whatever) are covered by UK working conditions.
Copperjacket
pfm Member
According to the BBC:
"Ministers had threatened the firm with "unlimited fines" but in a letter to Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, its chief executive Peter Hebblethwaite said the 786 sacked workers were employed by three Jersey-based arms of P&O Ferries.
The eight ships they worked on, which service routes including Dover-Calais and Larne-Ciarnryan, are all registered in Cyprus, the Bahamas or Bermuda."
If this is the case, why was the Company paid under the Covid Furlough Scheme? Were they in fact even eligible?
"Ministers had threatened the firm with "unlimited fines" but in a letter to Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, its chief executive Peter Hebblethwaite said the 786 sacked workers were employed by three Jersey-based arms of P&O Ferries.
The eight ships they worked on, which service routes including Dover-Calais and Larne-Ciarnryan, are all registered in Cyprus, the Bahamas or Bermuda."
If this is the case, why was the Company paid under the Covid Furlough Scheme? Were they in fact even eligible?
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Excellent question?
Tony L
Administrator
As ever there is nothing on this planet that can’t be made worse by the presence of Chris Grayling (London Economic).
Joco
pfm Member
‘The amendment is the only change to the 1992 act relating specifically to foreign-registered ships’ I certainly hope that Mr Graying is hauled up before the relevant select committee and given a grilling on why was a change the change to the Law was necessary, was P&O sponsoring the Conservative Party and access to all relevant material. Unlikely I know but one can wish..
graystoke4
pfm Member
Hi, P&O are advertising on the tv this week, i thought a bit odd, but this might have been scheduled, many month's ago,
they have set aside £36,000,000 for redundancy, that divided by 800 is £45,000, each, i know it will not be carved up like this,
they have set aside £36,000,000 for redundancy, that divided by 800 is £45,000, each, i know it will not be carved up like this,
Bob McC
Living the life of Riley
Which P&O?
The cruise company is a completely unrelated company to the ferry company.
graystoke4
pfm Member
Right i did not know that, cheers, thanks Bob
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
The maximum payout for wrongful dismissal is one years salary. I suspect this is part of the calculation.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Yes. We have a cruise booked with P&O in 2022 and 2023, I would have cancelled them if they were the same company as the P&O ferry bastards. I’ve been looking at P&O cruise deals for 2024, which were announced today. I’ve had 3 emails from them reminding me they are not the same company.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
It wouldn’t seem impossible for the terms of a licence to operate a ferry out of the UK to include terms about what jurisdiction the ships are registered under, and the crew employed. It’s not like the ships operate round the world. Let’s be generous and give them a choice on the Channel route, they can either abide by UK employment law, or French. Ditto, the UK-Ireland routes, a choice of either end.
Copperjacket
pfm Member
Looking at this logically, how long before the competing Ferry Operators do something similar?
Stuart Frazer
pfm Member
Yes, seems like pretty common sense to me. The Government should change the law accordingly so that we can then withdraw their operators license for UK ports. Otherwise, we now have ferries manned by very cheap labour going against competing ferry companies paying much more for crew. It's sink or swim.