Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+22)?

[Brian]

In the interests of balance and if it helps any... I would ban you and I'm not a moderator.

I find the snarling aggression in your posts very wearing and unhelpful to the general tone. You were not posting at the weekend and discussions moved along nicely. You come back and start posting and immediately it's a tirade of bitterness.

Just in the interests of balance. HTH's ?

( now normally you would come back with something like " why don't you f*ck off..... but you might just hold back this time )

Ironically, unless the AUP has changed isn’t it a banning offence to encourage another member be banned? After saying that, I wouldn’t ban you for encouraging the banning of Harry in your second paragraph there, but nor would I ban Harry or just about anyone else for stuff in the brexit threads.

The bitterness you speak of is mainly from hard-remainers who believe ignoring the 52% is a good thing. I wouldn’t ban them either though.

HTH?

 

[Seanm]

I agree completely now. However my opinion at the time was that someone who’d done so much good, was unlikely to do that. It’s a regret of mine to have been taken in by him.

It's good that you managed to get through that and that you didn't let it shake your faith in your own judgement.

 

[lordsummit]

More ridiculous ad hom. No anger from me but as I said earlier I think it's reasonable for us all to expect a higher standard from so-called mods instead of the constant character attacks on me.

I didn't take any Tory money. I did a job and was paid. Perhaps we should look into your employment history. See if that stands up to close scrutiny.

You told me some time ago you were looking for a reason to ban me. I'm sure if you had one you'd have done it by now.

Seriously, I think you should give some thought into your nehaviour and whether it's compatible with that of a site moderator. Personally, I don't feel it is. But carry on with your personal attacks on me. One it doesn't bother me in the slightest (though I'll always call you out on it) and two it shows others that I'm right in my appraisal of your behaviour.

PS No doubt you'll now be talking to your moderator chums to see what can be done to ban me.

More lies, or possibly ‘tabloid style exaggeration’ I find it hard to take moralising from you. My employment history is very simple, I worked as a teacher for twenty years, have been made redundant twice as a result of Conservative education policy, once in the rush for academisation, and once due to the cut backs in arts education. I now work as a music educator/musician and don’t enjoy the precarious nature of the job, but do enjoy the freedom I have. I’ve never taken a job that didn’t match my moral compass. Or at least my alleged moral compass.

As for banning you, well we could, although it’s rather more entertaining to keep you here as a pretend socialist, whilst you tell us all how wonderful you are.

By the way, if you work for a Tory rag, owned by a Tory, and are paid by said Tory to promulgate the filth that rag publishes, you’re taking Tory money.

 

[Seanm]

Corbynites point to Blair and Iraq and LibDem and tuition fees in order to discredit Blair and LibDem position on Brexit. None of this means that Blair and the LibDems are wrong about Brexit. If you discount advice from anyone who ever made a mistake there would be few people to take advice from.

We're talking about people who have been shown to be wrong about everything, time after time, with catastrophic results. It's just incredible how many chances people are prepared to give this crowd. Being massive wealthy and having lots of friends in the media does not make you good at politics! There is absolutely no reason to listen to anything these people say!

 

[lordsummit]

It's good that you managed to get through that and that you didn't let it shake your faith in your own judgement.

Or perhaps it’s due to this that I find it so easy not to have any faith in the cosmic grandad.

 

[HarryB]

I agree completely now. However my opinion at the time was that someone who’d done so much good, was unlikely to do that. It’s a regret of mine to have been taken in by him.

You must have very poor judgement of character. It was obvious from the first time I met him that he was an absolute bullsh1tting conman. All the Iraq evidence highlighted by Steve was overwhelming. Blair and Campbell conspired to lie to Parliament and the public. Most of us (Labour members) didn't fall for it.

 

[Enfield boy]

We're talking about people who have been shown to be wrong about everything, time after time, with catastrophic results. It's just incredible how many chances people are prepared to give this crowd. Being massive wealthy and having lots of friends in the media does not make you good at politics! There is absolutely no reason to listen to anything these people say!

Politics and spin were the only things Blair etc were good at. They sold us tory lite policies like PFIs that have just about bust the NHS and the education system and following on from the era of Thatcher left many convinced that centre left policies are doomed to fail. I fear much more suffering is required to disabuse the many of that belief.

 

[Seanm]

Or perhaps it’s due to this that I find it so easy not to have any faith in the cosmic grandad.

You accused Harry of projection a little earlier. Might be worth considering the possibility that not everyone relates to political leaders in the same way that you do.

 

[Seanm]

Politics and spin were the only things Blair etc were good at. They sold us tory lite policies like PFIs that have just about bust the NHS and the education system and following on from the era of Thatcher left many convinced that centre left policies are doomed to fail. I fear much more suffering is required to disabuse the many of that belief.

I don't know: I don't remember anyone but a small group of people actually believing any of that crap. It's just that everyone working in the media and quite a lot of senior people in the civil service and public sector belonged to that small group. Others protested, or put up with it, or spotted an opportunity to get rich. The recent, gobsmackingly incompetent interventions of Blair, Campbell et al are a reminder that most of their reputation as communicational geniuses can be put down to the fact that they had lot of powerful and influential people behind them.

 

[Enfield boy]

Well, it sure seems that a lot on here wish Labour would go back to promoting that agenda, perhaps it's just the tories here who pretend to be social democrat ish.

 

[Tony L]

You are Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my 5 zimbabwean brexit pounds.

I have a $5 Billion Zimbabwean dollar banknote framed on my wall (some friends are from there). There is room below for a £5bn Brexit note, or ‘One Farage’ as it will be known.

 

[lordsummit]

You accused Harry of projection a little earlier. Might be worth considering the possibility that not everyone relates to political leaders in the same way that you do.

Who’s projecting anything. A few posters here seem to have a lot of faith in Corbyn. I don’t. Why is that projecting?

 

[Vinniemac]

Politics and spin were the only things Blair etc were good at.

He was pretty good at winning elections as well, to be fair ;-)

 

[Seanm]

Who’s projecting anything. A few posters here seem to have a lot of faith in Corbyn. I don’t. Why is that projecting?

Maybe they're not actually that invested in the person of Corbyn, and in fact find the idea of mixing faith and politics a little odd; but since that's the way you approach politics, and can't imagine any other way of doing it, it all just looks like they're investing faith in the wrong person.

 

[jackbarron]

The recent, gobsmackingly incompetent interventions of Blair, Campbell et al are a reminder that most of their reputation as communicational geniuses can be put down to the fact that they had lot of powerful and influential people behind them.

Much though I hate those two, I don't think so. It isn't simply that they have powerful people behind them. It's more a case that what they have said about Brexit and second referendum is true.

This is why Labour's vote in the European Elections went down so massively and the anti-Brexit Parties gained.

Jack

 

[Seanm]

Much though I hate those two, I don't think so. It isn't simply that they have powerful people behind them. It's more a case that what they have said about Brexit and second referendum is true.

This is why Labour's vote in the European Elections went down so massively and the anti-Brexit Parties gained.

Jack

Really? You think remain should campaign on an anti-immigration ticket in a 2nd ref? Because that's their plan.

 

[HarryB]

More lies, or possibly ‘tabloid style exaggeration’ I find it hard to take moralising from you. My employment history is very simple, I worked as a teacher for twenty years, have been made redundant twice as a result of Conservative education policy, once in the rush for academisation, and once due to the cut backs in arts education. I now work as a music educator/musician and don’t enjoy the precarious nature of the job, but do enjoy the freedom I have. I’ve never taken a job that didn’t match my moral compass. Or at least my alleged moral compass.

As for banning you, well we could, although it’s rather more entertaining to keep you here as a pretend socialist, whilst you tell us all how wonderful you are.

By the way, if you work for a Tory rag, owned by a Tory, and are paid by said Tory to promulgate the filth that rag publishes, you’re taking Tory money.

Oh the irony. You accuse me of taking the Tory coin but you were happy to do it. Employed as a teacher and paid by a Tory govt. you couldn't make it up.

Then you say "I've never taken a job that didn't match my moral compass" Really. Which ones did you turn down out of interest.

In what way am I a pretend socialist? I've been a socialist all of my adult life. My politics were formed growing up in poverty on a shitty council estate. No car, no family holidays and often without food in the house.

When have I told anyone how wonderful I am?

 

[TheDecameron]

Only the hard-remainers and hard-leavers will whinge but we can live with that.

Oh don’t, Sean will need to seek spiritual advice. What, with the hard remainers, hard leavers and the hard centre- he’ll have nowhere to turn!

 

[stevec67]

Oh the irony. You accuse me of taking the Tory coin but you were happy to do it. Employed as a teacher and paid by a Tory govt. you couldn't make it up.

Whaaaaat? You really couldn't make this shit up! There is one glaring difference, teachers don't get to choose their employer. There is only one state. If the government changes, they don't get a say beyond one vote that has already been counted. You however could have chosen any newspaper, you chose the shitrag on Sunday. Well done you.

 

[lordsummit]

Maybe they're not actually that invested in the person of Corbyn, and in fact find the idea of mixing faith and politics a little odd; but since that's the way you approach politics, and can't imagine any other way of doing it, it all just looks like they're investing faith in the wrong person.

Or maybe many people like myself feel he has proven completely ineffectual as a leader, and is incapable of delivering his manifesto.