John
Rack’em Up!
The musical differences between the two items being directly compared were lessened making it harder to judge what was better.
Musing about upgrades - Two sets of speakers (in the same room) ?
- Thread starter Sloop John B
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a.palfreyman
pfm Member
Darren
So gentle when he tries to understand.
I don't think it's pointless or unenjoyable. Rather it's interesting and fun. You make the mistake of thinking everyone feels as you do Mick.
ToTo Man
the band not the dog
The issue is identifying what measurement parameter is relevant for the phenomenon we are trying to explain. I can upload a measurement showing a change in the in-room frequency response, reflection profile, reverberation times, etc, when I introduce an unpowered loudspeaker into the room, but I can also show a similar result by introducing a piece of furniture into the room of similar size and construction. An interesting experiment would be to take an in-room measurement showing the effect of shorting an unpowered speakers' terminals, however I'm not sure an in-room measurement is reliable/consistent/repeatable enough to show the effect, especially at low frequencies. In my 10 years of using REW I have never been able to reproduce identical waterfall/RT60 measurements despite taking them within seconds of each other.
Amber Audio
This is the Day
No right or wrong, do what makes you happy. A single system maximising budget with a particular goal or mess about swapping boxes, buying multiples and hearing different takes on things.
I’ve done loads of box swapping/comparisons over many years and am now heading to one big system as I head towards retirement, been a great journey so far.
a.palfreyman
pfm Member
Yes, that thought crossed my mind too (to add the box 'without' the driver movement) and do the same 'unshorted'.
Bu99er...wondered if this might be the case.
I own ATCs, they can go as close as 10cm to wall. Think mine are 30cms out, maybe a little closer. They sound great.
Miss Ariel
pfm Member
I use panels and floor standers and love swapping them over for a week or 2 in the system.
Great fun and makes me appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of cone and panels.
The panels are up a level so always have a big smile when they come back..But also roll off in the bass.
S J B ....your in a nice place dedicated room and loads of dosh...hope you get something different from your SL 2' s which you love
Get some panels...Quads or Martin Logans or Magnepan...only a thought
Alex S
carbon based lifeform
Depends what two sets and what amps. I don't have to swap anything, just have to turn the Leak on or off, or the Genelecs on or off, although having both sets on at once is quite fun.
Darren
So gentle when he tries to understand.
Weiss-Man
pfm Member
My opinion, for what it’s worth, you already have a nice pair of speakers. If you introduce another pair (I had Boenicke and Raidho sitting side by side) they will also have their strengths and weaknesses. Of course, your money your choice but this seems to me to be the epitome of putting equipment before the music, and admitadly I’ve done the same in the past. You have a nice system in a (seemingly) nice environment, enjoy what you have and go and treat yourself to other more important things in life. I hope you find the answer that is right for you.
I’ve run 20 Towers for several years, if you‘re not putting at least 80-100cm to the wall they cannot demonstrate all the potential but again this is true for almost all speakers in the world except Klipschhorns etc.
Yeah we can all put speakers in the middle of the room. I just go with manufacturer recommendations & my system sounds great.
Alex S
carbon based lifeform
Nope.
tuga
Legal Alien
Two systems in one room, to me, rings as listening to the system not the music.
Also I find that the budget is better spent in a better single system (and the room) than splitting it into two.
The two pairs of speakers will interact acoustically but I'd expect the audibility of negative/positive effects will be slight.
Also I find that the budget is better spent in a better single system (and the room) than splitting it into two.
The two pairs of speakers will interact acoustically but I'd expect the audibility of negative/positive effects will be slight.
Sloop John B
And any old music will do…
Honest, guv, it is music that I listen to on my system!
I have tried just listening to the system but all I hear is a very quiet Naim toroidal transformer hum which I must admit that when the mood takes me can have the karmic impact of some avant garde ambient pieces but in the end my attention wanders and I hanker to listen to some music again.
.sjb
tuga
Legal Alien
So how will you go about it?
Main system for male vocals, second system for female vocalists? Or maybe bad/good recordings?
To me it makes no sense whatsoever.
If you've had your speakers for a long time in the same room (and like them) it is only logical that you've become so accustomed to the way they sound that you'll have to make an effort to adapt to the sound of new speakers.
My approach would be to find out what could be improved and look for suitable replacements that address audible issues.
Tony L
Administrator
Assuming the budget is not tight I see real value in owning both nearfield and full-range systems. I’d not attempt it in the same room though, but I do very much enjoy having both available as it gives a very different perspective of a recording.
Sloop John B
And any old music will do…
When you say near-field what sort of distance are you talking about both between the speakers and from listener to the speakers?
.sjb
Tony L
Administrator
About a 1.4 metre triangle in the case of my upstairs system, I’d argue that or less. To be honest my main system isn’t that much bigger at around 2.2 metres, though there is a very big difference in presentation and perspective. I really like having both available as each reveals different things. It makes sense too as not all music is mixed on full-range monitors, not all is mixed on small near-fields, so some stuff suits one more than the other. The limitation is my nearfield system is digital-only, no record deck upstairs