I don't think it's pointless or unenjoyable. Rather it's interesting and fun. You make the mistake of thinking everyone feels as you do Mick.To some people it will fun but it will bring frustration to others. It is dead easy to gone down the searching for that elusive sound route, and two speakers in the same room will result in continuously flicking from one set of speakers to the other and you will not be relaxing and listening to music which makes the whole thing pointless.
The issue is identifying what measurement parameter is relevant for the phenomenon we are trying to explain. I can upload a measurement showing a change in the in-room frequency response, reflection profile, reverberation times, etc, when I introduce an unpowered loudspeaker into the room, but I can also show a similar result by introducing a piece of furniture into the room of similar size and construction. An interesting experiment would be to take an in-room measurement showing the effect of shorting an unpowered speakers' terminals, however I'm not sure an in-room measurement is reliable/consistent/repeatable enough to show the effect, especially at low frequencies. In my 10 years of using REW I have never been able to reproduce identical waterfall/RT60 measurements despite taking them within seconds of each other.Ah, ok thanks.
Be interesting if someone with REW and lots of speakers could see if the effect of introducing an unpowered speaker into a room is measurable.
@ToTo Man?
No right or wrong, do what makes you happy. A single system maximising budget with a particular goal or mess about swapping boxes, buying multiples and hearing different takes on things.I don't think it's pointless or unenjoyable. Rather it's interesting and fun. You make the mistake of thinking everyone feels as you do Mick.
Yes, that thought crossed my mind too (to add the box 'without' the driver movement) and do the same 'unshorted'.An interesting experiment would be to take an in-room measurement showing the effect of shorting an unpowered speakers' terminals,
Bu99er...wondered if this might be the case.however I'm not sure an in-room measurement is reliable/consistent/repeatable enough to show the effect,
I own ATCs, they can go as close as 10cm to wall. Think mine are 30cms out, maybe a little closer. They sound great.Btw, that’s not the case really - if you put any ‘conventional’ speakers close to the wall (not the ones specifically designed for that), reflected sound destroys the soundstage, sealed box not different in that regard
I use panels and floor standers and love swapping them over for a week or 2 in the system.I don't think it's pointless or unenjoyable. Rather it's interesting and fun. You make the mistake of thinking everyone feels as you do Mick.
Depends what two sets and what amps. I don't have to swap anything, just have to turn the Leak on or off, or the Genelecs on or off, although having both sets on at once is quite fun.Having two sets of speakers would introduce another decision, what to play and then which speakers. You’d need to swap leads, which may mean turning the amplifier off, and possibly move speakers around. What a faff. With €20,000 available I feel it would be much better to get one really good pair. SL2s are fine speakers, but so are many others.
The panels are up a level so always have a big smile when they come back..But also roll off in the bass.
Get yourself a Used REL or a pair of RELs and you can have it all MA.
I’ve run 20 Towers for several years, if you‘re not putting at least 80-100cm to the wall they cannot demonstrate all the potential but again this is true for almost all speakers in the world except Klipschhorns etc.I own ATCs, they can go as close as 10cm to wall. Think mine are 30cms out, maybe a little closer. They sound great.
Yeah we can all put speakers in the middle of the room. I just go with manufacturer recommendations & my system sounds great.I’ve run 20 Towers for several years, if you‘re not putting at least 80-100cm to the wall they cannot demonstrate all the potential but again this is true for almost all speakers in the world except Klipschhorns etc.
Nope.two speakers in the same room will result in continuously flicking from one set of speakers to the other and you will not be relaxing and listening to music which makes the whole thing pointless
Two systems in one room, to me, rings as listening to the system not the music.
Honest, guv, it is music that I listen to on my system!
I have tried just listening to the system but all I hear is a very quiet Naim toroidal transformer hum which I must admit that when the mood takes me can have the karmic impact of some avant garde ambient pieces but in the end my attention wanders and I hanker to listen to some music again.
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Also I find that the budget is better spent in a better single system (and the room) than splitting it into two.
Assuming the budget is not tight I see real value in owning both nearfield and full-range systems. I’d not attempt it in the same room though, but I do very much enjoy having both available as it gives a very different perspective of a recording.
When you say near-field what sort of distance are you talking about both between the speakers and from listener to the speakers?
.sjb