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Momentum in Stafford - 28th July.

ks.234 said:
You'll have had your reply now, will you post it as promised?

Please?
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No, he’s had to hire a personal trainer and a personal bodyguard now- two little students with Labour Party badges passed him the other day- he believes hes “being watched”.
 
There is a ‘Tory Youth Wing’? There is a ‘Maggie Club’? This country is in a heck of a mess.
 
There always has been a Conservative youth wing. Remember the famous speech by a 16 yr old Hague?
There even some students - my daughter had to 'avoid' a rather rabid example at Uni last year.
 
Tony L said:
There is a ‘Tory Youth Wing’? There is a ‘Maggie Club’? This country is in a heck of a mess.
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Do you think there would be a requirement for a 'tory youth wing' without the Momentum movement. Fighting fire with fire is my best guess.
 
myles said:
Do you think there would be a requirement for a 'tory youth wing' without the Momentum movement. Fighting fire with fire is my best guess.
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The simple fact is Tory party membership is collapsing very rapidly as miserable old farts die off. It is hard to get a firm figure as the party are obviously evasive about the extent of decline, but it is certainly well less than 150k, maybe less than 100k. By comparison Labour is very much on the ascendency with 650k+, with much of that new young members. The figure is much higher again if ‘registered supporters’ are counted. A very healthy situation and one I suspect the alt-right will play all kind of dirty tricks to counter. The conventional Conservative Party is very likely dead and we will see grubby Tea Party/UKIP/Trump style popularism and xenophobia take its place. Back to the Enoch Powell old days...
 
I was reading something the other day in an astronomy book about conservation of angular Momentum!

Beware, the frickin’ Labour commies are everywhere!

Joe
 
Tony, 100,000? They wish.

They don't know. Or they say they don't know. The reason they say they don't know is because the figure is accutelt embarrassing. Closer to 70,000 than 100,000.
 
Tony L said:
The simple fact is Tory party membership is collapsing very rapidly as miserable old farts die off. It is hard to get a firm figure as the party are obviously evasive about the extent of decline, but it is certainly well less than 150k, maybe less than 100k. By comparison Labour is very much on the ascendency with 650k+, with much of that new young members. The figure is much higher again if ‘registered supporters’ are counted. A very healthy situation and one I suspect the alt-right will play all kind of dirty tricks to counter. The conventional Conservative Party is very likely dead and we will see grubby Tea Party/UKIP/Trump style popularism and xenophobia take its place. Back to the Enoch Powell old days...
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If your stats continue as they have then there'll be nothing to fear from Conservatives....Momentum can go out on midnight shock and awe attacks and crush the last remnants.
Left or right, trouble making and violence shouldn't be tolerated - even if McDonnell actively supports it.
 
myles said:
Left or right, trouble making and violence shouldn't be tolerated - even if McDonnell actively supports it.
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Agreed, but once again we should note that it is only the political right with real blood on its hands. The whole ‘alt-right’ of UKIP, Britain First, EDL, Mogmentum, Breitbart etc is very much planting the seeds of division and xenophobia that resulted in the murder of Jo Cox, the Finsbury Park Mosque van terrorism, the murder of a Polish man by thugs, the attacks on Muslim businesses etc. They are knowingly playing with real fire just as Trump & the Tea Party/Republicans are with the KKK, the murder in Charlottesville, the armed white supremacist terror groups on the streets etc. To my eyes the hard-left is full of rather excitable screechy students and internet gobshites, the hard-right is full of genuinely nasty violent thugs. There is no real equivalence.
 
HarryB said:
Tony, 100,000? They wish.

They don't know. Or they say they don't know. The reason they say they don't know is because the figure is accutelt embarrassing. Closer to 70,000 than 100,000.
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This was covered on R4 last week. They haven't released figures since 2013 apparently to avoid embarrassment.
The expert opinion on current numbers (imsmc) was around 50,000.
No doubt about the Labour membership figure, which is 552,000.
 
Still, I'll tell you what's really interesting, Momentum has about 35,000 members and that number is growing rapidly.

The joyous day when there's more members of a commie, hard left, militant fringe group than the mighty Conservative Party will be one to cherish.

Pity this winter's flu outbreak wasn't as bad as predicted, that would have seen off a disproportionate number of Tories.
 
Still said:
The expert opinion on current numbers (imsmc) was around 50,000.
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LOL! That puts pfm on almost half as many members as the UK Conservative Party!

PS I realise a fair proportion of pfm’s 24k+ members are inactive, but even so, it is something when an obscure nerdy little audio site has half the members of the party of government!
 
Tony L said:
LOL! That puts pfm on almost half as many members as the UK Conservative Party!

PS I realise a fair proportion of pfm’s 24k+ members are inactive, but even so, it is something when an obscure nerdy little audio site has half the members of the party of government!
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Tony, I think you'll find that 70% of the Tory membership are inactive. An even higher % are incontinent. Most of them probably don't even realise they're members.

So yes, the similarities with PFM are rather worrying :)
 
Tony L said:
To my eyes the hard-left is full of rather excitable screechy students and internet gobshites, the hard-right is full of genuinely nasty violent thugs. There is no real equivalence.
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I was reflecting on this today and realised how things have changed in my lifetime. 40 years ago, it was the left-wing who were something to be scared of: Red Army Faction, Baader-Meinhof, The Angry Brigade, Red Action and, you could argue, the IRA. Now it's the right-wing doing scary stuff. I wonder what caused the shift?
 
The National Front were doing some pretty scary stuff back in 1977. I wouldn't describe the IRA as 'left-wing'; nationalism is more of a right-wing thing, after all.
 
Joe Hutch said:
I wouldn't describe the IRA as 'left-wing'; nationalism is more of a right-wing thing, after all.
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They were fighting for an independent socialist republic which I take to be a left wing rather than 'national socialist'.
 
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