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MDAC First Listen (part 00110010)

Discussion in 'audio' started by 44000khz, Aug 15, 2016.

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  1. Coll

    Coll pfm Member

    Yes agree with this I feel the same
  2. Richard Kimber

    Richard Kimber pfm Member

    I guess what I was really trying to establish was: will there be other products between delivery of the MDAC2 and delivery of the FDAC?

    - Richard.
  3. JohnW

    JohnW pfm member

    Maybe the VFET's as we will have the MDAC2 which will be very decent, and we then REALLY need decent power amps.... the MiniAmps will be progressing slowly in the background depending on timing of the main projects.
  4. StephenB

    StephenB Pointy birds...........

  5. giannitom

    giannitom pfm Member

    I'm very interested in a pair of low cost mono amp, obviously because they will be designed by John. VFET is too expensive and oversized for my needs.
  6. timow

    timow Well-Known Member

    Thanks for clarification.

    So if someone is already made development payments for FDAC L3 + Phono Stage, he/she need to pay additional GBP100 development fee to get both FDAC (L3 + Phono Stage) and MDAC2 upgrade "At cost".
  7. fusion5

    fusion5 on the dark side of hifi...

  8. JohnW

    JohnW pfm member

    Are you joking here? the linked amps are non thing more then ICE power ClassD amplifier modules.

    The little MiniAmps will be based on a higher power "Sample 104" circuit which is currently driving my CLSIIz's rather impressively all things considered...
  9. timola

    timola pfm Member

    I wouldn't mind replacing my six monoblocs (Lk280s) if these could do 100W into 8 ohms and 200 into 4 ohms...I too want lots of current....but I would like a home demo first, maybe a pair for loaning out by Westlake would be a good idea....OK.OK.OK.OK....let's talk about these after the mdac2...;)
  10. gints

    gints pfm Member

    If there is a plan to run FDAC production regularly, will it be possible to have it with SACD transport? Or licensing still will be too expensive?
  11. timow

    timow Well-Known Member

    That was the real question? 50% from what?
  12. fusion5

    fusion5 on the dark side of hifi...

    Since the MDAC2 development fee equals the FDAC L2 fee, I'd say 50% from those GBP400
  13. JohnW

    JohnW pfm member

    Yes, the amps will be design for lots of "Short Term" current = Energy stored in the Caps.
  14. JohnW

    JohnW pfm member

    Yes correct, 50% of the FDAC development :)
  15. JohnW

    JohnW pfm member

    I'm not even sure SACD is really "Active" - and once the FDAC is priced at 5K (to non PFM project sponsors) then its production numbers will be small.
  16. StephenB

    StephenB Pointy birds...........

    maybe a bit of a joke , mainly just totally frustrated with the timelines

    sold my mdac when the fdac was touted, wishing I had now kept it

    sold all my other decent kit as there was an intimation of Westlake product later this year

    pretty pissed off tbh, but unwilling to jump ship due to the efforts I have already went to

    doubt I am alone
  17. jirij

    jirij Virtual Member

    I guess we shouldn't have been so demanding from the start - John wanted to please everybody and the result is an all-in-one FDAC with everything from CD replay, through many ADC options, Linux-based OS with support for whatever streaming exists in the world, DSP / room correction, AV bypass, color touchscreen with a custom UI doing just about everything in the world, master/slave interface and clocking logic for chaining multiple FDACs, external HDMI-connector-based expansion socket, internal DIC expansion slot/card, .... jesus christ, whatever happened to "do one thing and do it well"? :)

    Enter John's inability to give up on the expected features and wanting to deliver the Ultimate Best Platform ever created, ... and, well, you end up where we are now. The feature scope of FDAC is just too big for a team of 2-3 people to complete in any sensible amount of time.


    I too had the "single box syndrome" back when I wanted the perfect laptop - capable of computer games, with high-res IPS screen, great keyboard (Thinkpad T30 style), two ethernet ports for network analysis, two HDDs, very sturdy design, etc. I was so frustrated by IBM selling Thinkpads to Lenovo and subsequently Lenovo screwing them up and I didn't know where to go, because each laptop on the market had significant drawbacks to my ideal single-box idea.

    Then a friend told me: "Why don't you buy a desktop? You can use whatever monitor/keyboard/HDD/graphic card/CPU you want and upgrade it whenever you want.". My counter-argument was "But it isn't portable! It isn't single-box!" .. and then I subsequently realized that I don't need either of those. I bought and assembled myself a desktop and have been living happy ever since.

    Single-box solutions never work great unless designed explicitly for you. It's an obsession causing constant frustration with a product that does everything, but nothing well. IIRC FDAC gained all these features because John found out (after ~2014 trip to China) that pushing multiple boxes into production would be too big of an overhead and integration into FDAC seemed easier.

    Anyway, let's hope we'll reach the (front) light (of FDAC) at the end of the tunnel some day. :)
  18. Rune

    Rune pfm Member

    "Single box syndrome" :D

    To me it sounds like something you get if you let the wife make hifi decisions ;)
  19. JohnW

    JohnW pfm member


    Yes - understand, I'm sorry - I'll try my best to find away to keep you happy once the MDA2 PCB are ready, there's a few things making there way through the pipeline that I hope will keep you happy until the FDAC.

    I didnt mean to sound rude about the amps you linked to, but they are nothing special...
  20. mrflibble

    mrflibble pfm Member

    Hi John

    I've been following the thread and I know that you are very busy. I can only imagine the amount of hard work that is required to run your own business. Have you read Schiit's book, "Schiit Happened"? I'm just over half way through, it is very entertaining and offers some insight into the trials and tribulations of the hi-fi startup.

    If you the have chance to look at my MDAC for repair during the coming weeks I would be very appreciative.

    Many thanks

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