I think the real point is that comparing seeing some sort of equivalence between the treatment of Corbyn and the treatment of Starmer is absurd to the point of wilful ignorance.Yes, but you're making the same error of confusing Corbyn, the man, with Corbyn, the policies. You may argue that the public had a good look at 'him' and decided 'he' was not the one, but anybody using that as an argument that people don't want left-leaning policies, per se, is being a tad disingenuous.
Yes, but you're making the same error of confusing Corbyn, the man, with Corbyn, the policies. You may argue that the public had a good look at 'him' and decided 'he' was not the one, but anybody using that as an argument that people don't want left-leaning policies, per se, is being a tad disingenuous.
True story, my Dad's Mrs wouldn't vote for Corbyn because "he looks a scruff".
I think the real point is that comparing seeing some sort of equivalence between the treatment of Corbyn and the treatment of Starmer is absurd to the point of wilful ignorance.
First of all on the treatment from the Press. Compared with Corbyn it is obvious that Starmer has had a relatively free ride[/
He’s private school educated, lives in a house that has to be well over £1m, and had an almost Noel Edmunds-grade tidybeard. What did they want? In comparison Boris Johnson looked like a oversized bin-sack of medical waste squeezed into the cheapest possible C&A business suit with hair styled by a Van de Graaf generator and after a two-week cocaine binge.
It's not similar though is it. It's very different.I didn't say the treatment of the two Labour leaders was the same - I used the word similar !
I didn’t use the word same - I said some sort of equivalence !!I didn't say the treatment of the two Labour leaders was the same - I used the word similar !
People rightly worked him out as an old fashioned socialist - if that aligns with your own politics then fine - but the majority of the electorate for various reasons are not so he was never a viable candidate for PM. The majority of my family in the north were lifelong Labour voters until he came along.
Marcia Hutchinson was a Labour councillor in Manchester. She says (credibly, in my view) that she experienced more racism during her five years in the Labour Party than she did in the rest of her life combined.I hear legal issues stopped the documentary being broadcast as planned at 9 p.m. yesterday. It's now due out at 1 p.m. today. Still proud to have been involved.
As previously stated, democratic socialism or social democracy - I am happy with either. Starmers problem is the naturally conservative British public gets frightened by the word socialism (this always plays out badly come election night a la Foot and Corbyn x 2) and Sir Keirs main task is to win next time out.…the moral case for socialism….is where I stand.
If you don’t believe in Socialism, Starmer is not for you eitherKeir Starmer
It's not similar though is it. It's very different.
It’s theirs to lose. Just come up with a few big, clear policies. None of that covid bonds bollocks.
democratic socialism or social democracy
True story, my Dad's Mrs wouldn't vote for Corbyn because "he looks a scruff".
Your style of engagement doesn’t really invite that kind of response.Maybe like the Green energy initiative detailed at this weeks conference. I did raise it on here but nobody could muster a response on here - now might be a good time for you to comment?