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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer VII

Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Yes, but you're making the same error of confusing Corbyn, the man, with Corbyn, the policies. You may argue that the public had a good look at 'him' and decided 'he' was not the one, but anybody using that as an argument that people don't want left-leaning policies, per se, is being a tad disingenuous.
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I think the real point is that comparing seeing some sort of equivalence between the treatment of Corbyn and the treatment of Starmer is absurd to the point of wilful ignorance.

First of all on the treatment from the Press. Compared with Corbyn it is obvious that Starmer has had a relatively free ride.

But secondly, the overwhelming point is that Corbyn was attacked by his own party. His own party campaigned against a Labour victory and against it’s own democratically elected leader. What is worse is that in order to attack Corbyn at the time and Corbyn supporters since, the Labour Party has employed the most corrupt, venal and contemptible tactics imaginable.

The Labour Party is corrupt and undemocratic. The argument that they are the lesser of two evils is unsustainable
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Yes, but you're making the same error of confusing Corbyn, the man, with Corbyn, the policies. You may argue that the public had a good look at 'him' and decided 'he' was not the one, but anybody using that as an argument that people don't want left-leaning policies, per se, is being a tad disingenuous.
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People rightly worked him out as an old fashioned socialist - if that aligns with your own politics then fine - but the majority of the electorate for various reasons are not so he was never a viable candidate for PM. The majority of my family in the north were lifelong Labour voters until he came along.
 
matt j said:
True story, my Dad's Mrs wouldn't vote for Corbyn because "he looks a scruff".
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He’s private school educated, lives in a house that has to be well over £1m, and had an almost Noel Edmunds-grade tidybeard. What did they want? In comparison Boris Johnson looked like a oversized bin-sack of medical waste squeezed into the cheapest possible C&A business suit with hair styled by a Van de Graaf generator and after a two-week cocaine binge.
 
ks.234 said:
I think the real point is that comparing seeing some sort of equivalence between the treatment of Corbyn and the treatment of Starmer is absurd to the point of wilful ignorance.

First of all on the treatment from the Press. Compared with Corbyn it is obvious that Starmer has had a relatively free ride[/
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I didn't say the treatment of the two Labour leaders was the same - I used the word similar !

 
Tony L said:
He’s private school educated, lives in a house that has to be well over £1m, and had an almost Noel Edmunds-grade tidybeard. What did they want? In comparison Boris Johnson looked like a oversized bin-sack of medical waste squeezed into the cheapest possible C&A business suit with hair styled by a Van de Graaf generator and after a two-week cocaine binge.
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Yeahbut she reads the Sun
 
Spraggons Den said:
People rightly worked him out as an old fashioned socialist - if that aligns with your own politics then fine - but the majority of the electorate for various reasons are not so he was never a viable candidate for PM. The majority of my family in the north were lifelong Labour voters until he came along.
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…the moral case for socialism….is where I stand.
Keir Starmer
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If you don’t believe in Socialism, Starmer is not for you either
 
Interesting comment on the third and final episode of the AJ documentary, which I believe is about the sheer scale of anti-black and anti-Muslim racism in the Labour Party:

https://twitter.com/Marciathewriter/status/1574653808046653440
I hear legal issues stopped the documentary being broadcast as planned at 9 p.m. yesterday. It's now due out at 1 p.m. today. Still proud to have been involved.
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Marcia Hutchinson was a Labour councillor in Manchester. She says (credibly, in my view) that she experienced more racism during her five years in the Labour Party than she did in the rest of her life combined.

Should make for interesting viewing as I am less familiar with this part of Labour's recent history.
 
Yes, this one will be very interesting. I’m well aware of the horrific racism dealt out hourly to the likes of Diane Abbott, Dawn Butler etc. It is sickening, and to my mind a lot is actually terrorism, but I assumed it was a pile-on from the Daily Mail/Guido/GB News/UKIP/EDL crowd, not from within the party. As such it is a topic I know nothing about.

PS The link between the EDL and some of Labour’s pro-Israel right was established in the last episode so at this point nothing surprises me.
 
Savanta ComRes has released some polling this morning suggesting that 48% of voters think Labour has responded well to the cost of living crisis. Just 28% think the same about the Conservatives. This is broadly similar to the results from YouGov polling on the same topic released yesterday.

The Savanta ComRes poll also suggests that Keir Starmer, on 37%, is narrowly ahead of Liz Truss, on 35%, on who would be the best prime minister.

But the poll also suggests that only 35% of people says Labour has produced clear policy ideas; 46% of people say the party has not produced clear policy ideas (including 29% of people who voted Labour in 2019).

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...08a0efb2c1eb33#block-6332db498f08a0efb2c1eb33
 
ks.234 said:
…the moral case for socialism….is where I stand.
Keir Starmer
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If you don’t believe in Socialism, Starmer is not for you either
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As previously stated, democratic socialism or social democracy - I am happy with either. Starmers problem is the naturally conservative British public gets frightened by the word socialism (this always plays out badly come election night a la Foot and Corbyn x 2) and Sir Keirs main task is to win next time out.
 
Seanm said:
It's not similar though is it. It's very different.
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I see/hear some similarities.

For example, I don't waste my time with any of the right wing media, other than having the occasional laugh at GB News, but my wife reads the Mail online and often quotes shite about Starmer from it - much of which is in the same vein as the hounding of Corbyn.
 
Seanm said:
It’s theirs to lose. Just come up with a few big, clear policies. None of that covid bonds bollocks.
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Maybe like the Green energy initiative detailed at this weeks conference. I did raise it on here but nobody could muster a response - now might be a good time for you to comment?
 
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