TheDecameron
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Starmer is reading the party’s electoral suicide note on Marr today. “You need seats in Scotland to win, if you can’t get them is there any arrangement with the SNP you would make to get back into power?”. No
Labour Leader: Keir Starmer V
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ks.234
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You mean, sounded forensic, surely?
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
nup nothing forensic at all.
ks.234
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You’re right. Bring back Corbyn.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Yes but he didn't mean it. That would be like asking the Lib Dems if they would go into coalition ahead of polling day.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
C'mon. Sir Kier is 5% less unpopular than Boris (Net popularity of -16% vs -21% - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leade..._general_election#Leadership_approval_ratings). That must count for something.
Right?
Right?
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
then they'll have a less than never chance of winning an election (personality/beauty contest)
ks.234
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Not sure I understand, everyone who was against Corbyn have got exactly what they asked for. A bit like a Leave voter complaining that Brexit isnt very good
Tony L
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Thinking Corbyn was a total dickhead and wanting Johnson’s cruel, corrupt and venal Tories are absolutely not the same thing! Huge numbers of us do not view politics as a partisan binary flip-flop. It is legitimate to kick hard against both heads of the Westminster beast.
ks.234
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I did t say it was. What I said was, anyone who did have any influence on getting rid of Corbyn, have got exactly the replacement they wished for. Which as I say, is a bit like voting to Leave our trading relationship with Europe, then complaining about our trading relationship with Europe. The answer’s the same in both cases, you got what you wished for!
Tony L
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I’d argue it was more like Manchester Football United or whatever they are called changing manager from the perspective of someone who had zero interest in football. The bottom line is Labour were not a credible ‘opposition’ party under either leader as the party does not stand for real structural change. Labour is never anything but an ‘establishment/status quo’ continuation vote. It is a party of vested interest no matter which clown is pushed forward into the leadership role. Arguably not quite as venal and institutionally corrupt as the Tories, but now so distanced by both time and MPs’ behaviour from the moral causes of its conception over a century ago it is not far off.
Dave H.
Revolutionary relativist
Strange, given that Starmer’s whole platform at the time was more or less a watered down version of the same ideological direction, and he was expressly recommended by supporters, the party and pundits alike on the basis of installing managerial competence at the head of a still socialist movement.
It’s almost as if someone, somewhere was being disingenuous.
Hardly all that surprising though, it happens all the time. Quite a clear parallel IMO with JRM before the vote explicitly suggesting a confirmatory 2nd brexit referendum once the terms of departure were known, and then claiming anything if the sort would be a mortal political sin once his side had won.
It’s almost as if someone, somewhere was being disingenuous.
Hardly all that surprising though, it happens all the time. Quite a clear parallel IMO with JRM before the vote explicitly suggesting a confirmatory 2nd brexit referendum once the terms of departure were known, and then claiming anything if the sort would be a mortal political sin once his side had won.
Tony L
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In what way did you get the former? Starmer seems free from all identifiable ideology or personality traits. The Wefail.art ‘The Slow Funeral’ is just the perfect visual representation of the Labour Party today. An empty blue corporate suit floating in the iconography of the past. Even Corbyn’s third-rate Islington/public school Michael Foot tribute act had a little more colour to it.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Regardless, ‘no’ is the correct answer.
ks.234
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You didn’t get the former at all. If you wanted ideological change, Corbyn was your one and only chance. It won’t happen again.
Seanm
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Maybe if you’d compromised on the former you’d have got the latter. Labour was polling at 46% following the 2017 election, the idea they were unelectable is ridiculous. They’ll never see those levels of support again, certainly not with the right’s ideology of privatisation, war and mild redistribution.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
I'm sure there is a strategic reason for that position but the evidence suggests pre-electoral coalitions are more stable.
"governments formed by pre-electoral coalitions are more likely to last longer"
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/63168/1/de... elections have better survival prospects.pdf
"Early Marriages Last Longer: Pre-electoral Coalitions and Government Survival in Europe"
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Coalitions_and_Government_Survival_in_Europe
gintonic
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