Nic Robinson
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Loads of the taxis in Tangier are W123s. Minimum 38 years old!
JLR booming !
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ciderglider
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"If you want to visit the Outback take a Land Rover, if you want to come back take a Land Cruiser."When I saw the title of this thread, I thought of this:
I know they're renowned for unreliability but hopefully not so terminally as this.
Land Rover had a virtually monopoly of the Australian 4WD market - until Toyota showed up. Above a certain latitude in Queensland, practically every other vehicle is a Land Cruiser of some sort.
We have had had two Discoverys (in the US an LR3 and an LR4). Last time I took the LR4 off road in Death Valley I blew out the sidewall on two tyres because LandRover decided to put low profile tyres on the vehicle and at the time there were no really capable tough tyre options, the OEM Pirelli Scorpions were just too wimpy to even handle relatively tame off road trails. If LR were serious about using the vehicle off road they would at least have given the option of smaller diameter wheels.
As to reliability I would certainly agree that of the vehicles we have had, the Discos have been the least reliable, they never left us stranded but there always seems to be something cropping up that requires an expensive fix, for example the front lower wishbones wear out at around 35k miles, and you cannot just replace the bearings you need to replace the whole item. Oil leaks as well seem to regularly occur necessitating very costly repairs. That said we really love our ageing LR4, it drives well, is decently quick and aside from the tyre issues is darned good off road. When it dies we will probably look at a Defender of possibly the Grenadier.
Suffolk Tony
Aim low, achieve your goals, avoid disappointment.
Like always, varied experiences with various vehicles. I've owned, and/or looked after (for my caving club) the following Land Rovers -
2.25 litre Mk IIA 12-seater Safari, used to take twelve (!) cavers plus LR trailer to Yugoslavia, 1969 to 1974. Not fast, bloody uncomfortable to drive, but never let us down, went anywhere. SWB series III County 2.25 litre petrol, had for a couple of years, no problems. Range Rover Vogue 3.5 litre petrol V8, three years, just fine, but it was bloody thirsty (luckily my company paid for the fuel), left with a previous Mrs Suffolk who ran it for another couple of years apparently. We bought a new LR Discovery TD5 when you could save a bomb by importing them. Used by SWMBO Mk 2, and for towing a large caravan across Europe. 68K approx. miles, no problems (and I mean none).
We then bought a new Toyota LC5 Land Cruiser, the one with air suspension. Kept it for a couple of years & I'm sure it would have lasted forever, but it was a horrid old thing to drive and the Toyota garages were lousy. It had a nasty habit (they all do that sir...) of disengaging cruise control when it was under load - no fun when you're towing a large caravan up a steep hill. We finally bought a new TDV8 L322 Range Rover which we kept for four years/ 75K-ish miles. Again, reliable, zero faults, a superb vehicle. Big though, and after giving up caravanning my kids felt it was environmentally unfriendly, so we reluctantly parted company with it.
Here's our old Safari, in South Wales -
2.25 litre Mk IIA 12-seater Safari, used to take twelve (!) cavers plus LR trailer to Yugoslavia, 1969 to 1974. Not fast, bloody uncomfortable to drive, but never let us down, went anywhere. SWB series III County 2.25 litre petrol, had for a couple of years, no problems. Range Rover Vogue 3.5 litre petrol V8, three years, just fine, but it was bloody thirsty (luckily my company paid for the fuel), left with a previous Mrs Suffolk who ran it for another couple of years apparently. We bought a new LR Discovery TD5 when you could save a bomb by importing them. Used by SWMBO Mk 2, and for towing a large caravan across Europe. 68K approx. miles, no problems (and I mean none).
We then bought a new Toyota LC5 Land Cruiser, the one with air suspension. Kept it for a couple of years & I'm sure it would have lasted forever, but it was a horrid old thing to drive and the Toyota garages were lousy. It had a nasty habit (they all do that sir...) of disengaging cruise control when it was under load - no fun when you're towing a large caravan up a steep hill. We finally bought a new TDV8 L322 Range Rover which we kept for four years/ 75K-ish miles. Again, reliable, zero faults, a superb vehicle. Big though, and after giving up caravanning my kids felt it was environmentally unfriendly, so we reluctantly parted company with it.
Here's our old Safari, in South Wales -
Suffolk Tony
Aim low, achieve your goals, avoid disappointment.
A Honda Civic e:HEV Advance. Nowadays, a good 98% of my mileage is the three hundred miles each-way trip to The Lake District & back every couple of weeks.
hifinutt
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Jaguar Land Rover has rolled out new security measures to battle keyless car thefts. Birmingham and Solihull car maker JLR continues to boost the security of their model range with owners now eligible to secure a swathe of new features.
Over the coming months, JLR - which makes cars in Solihull at Lode Lane - will invite the owners of vehicles dating back to 2016 to visit their local dealer for the free update. Those unable to visit a showroom can request the service via one of JLR’s mobile technicians.
The crucial update prevents thieves from being able to breach the car’s on-board computer systems, which they do in order to unlock the vehicle and programme new keys. Since 2022, more than 65,000 eligible vehicles from 2018 models onwards have received security updates. JLR has invested £15m in the initiative.
JLR CEO Adrian Mardell is now calling for an “urgent national conversation” about organised vehicle crime. He wants the Government to put vehicle crime higher up the agenda, stating that it’s a “serious issue” in the UK. "Our clients are suffering from that, and most people in this country won’t like that, whether they’re suffering or not,” he said.
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Over the coming months, JLR - which makes cars in Solihull at Lode Lane - will invite the owners of vehicles dating back to 2016 to visit their local dealer for the free update. Those unable to visit a showroom can request the service via one of JLR’s mobile technicians.
The crucial update prevents thieves from being able to breach the car’s on-board computer systems, which they do in order to unlock the vehicle and programme new keys. Since 2022, more than 65,000 eligible vehicles from 2018 models onwards have received security updates. JLR has invested £15m in the initiative.
JLR CEO Adrian Mardell is now calling for an “urgent national conversation” about organised vehicle crime. He wants the Government to put vehicle crime higher up the agenda, stating that it’s a “serious issue” in the UK. "Our clients are suffering from that, and most people in this country won’t like that, whether they’re suffering or not,” he said.
Jaguar Land Rover urges drivers to 'visit dealer' for 'free' update
Birmingham and Solihull car maker JLR continues to boost the security of their model range with owners now eligible to secure a swathe of new features.
tricky1
pfm Member
I have absolutely no sympathy. Car companies spend billions on new car designs yet apparently, securing a car is an afterthought.
Seriously, that's a pitiful sum of money for a multi - billion car company. They've spent peanuts and the security features reflect that.
mikemusic
pfm Member
The new steering rack has also gone.
He is waiting to see if it is covered on warranty
The F Pace is manufactured by Magna in Austria, perhaps they are saving money by using surplus racks from Fisker Oceans that were not delivered
hifinutt
hifinutt
Good grief i would hope so ...seems bonkers .is it a known problem on them ?
mikemusic
pfm Member
Known
Free recall fix in the US
Brits have to pay for a fix.
Latest seems he will have it fixed for free albeit without hire care paid for
Beobloke
pfm Member
No it’s not. The F-Pace is made in Solihull.The F Pace is manufactured by Magna in Austria, perhaps they are saving money by using surplus racks from Fisker Oceans that were not delivered
The I-Pace electric thing and the E-Pace are the models made in Austria.
It's interesting that modern development s have made them less secure. It was a big issue in the 90s, but rule changes and crypto keys scotched that. Post 2000 it was almost impossible to steal a car without the key. AFAIK this is still the case for my 2009 car. These days it takes seconds.