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Half way to Infinity
Yes. We are heading towards plutocracy and Labour will be the next step in that direction. It all points to the disastrous impact of big money in politics and just how far from a functioning democracy the UK is.
Yes. We are heading towards plutocracy and Labour will be the next step in that direction. It all points to the disastrous impact of big money in politics and just how far from a functioning democracy the UK is.
What happens after the election will be interesting. My gut feeling is that the Tory party will split between the ERG lot and the One Nation lot. Which of the two gets to keep the Tory logo is up for grabs
Yes agree. The question I was pointing to is will the ERGers join Reform, or will Reform take over the Tory brand. Either will be the same party, it’s just a question of what they call themselves.The ERG lot are Reform. I’m not convinced there are any ‘one nation’ types left. Johnson purged them all prior to 2019 just as forcefully as Starmer has purged his left/BAME MPs and councillors.
Quite a bit of what you ask for could happen under a Labour govt. I reckon closer ties to the EU are a given & some commitments to green energy.This election more than any other will demonstrate the poverty of FPTP. Those hoping for Farage to bleat about electoral reform will be disappointed IMO. He may for a week or two but then simply take over the Tory party, shift it further right and consider every chance of being PM in five years, using FPTP.
Labour are already in no-man’s land, very few really want Starmer, just Sunak even less. There has to be an alliance of the Left - Green/LD. The Greens will have to become more mainstream in policies other than environment. A real problem is Welsh and Scottish nationalists will also have to be on board, deals will need to be done since policy is very similar apart from the big one. What remains of the Labour left will be subsumed.
Rejoining the EU, having a responsible foreign policy, admitting tax increases are required for funding of services, environment, environment, environment the key platforms.
In the longer term I see extinction for Starmer Labour rather than Conservative. Voting for either side of the same coin will be unsustainable.
A bit of wishful thinking out loud, this could all be bollocks.
I suspect there will need to be a toning down of some policies like nuclear disarmament and banning short haul domestic flights.The Greens will have to become more mainstream in policies other than environment.
"Should" and "will" are not the same thing. I remember a few years back at a mountaineering talk there was someone with a green bent. Yes, we were all on board. We're all affected by climate change, mountaineers have seen it at first hand. We need to curb it. So I'm asking you all, he said at the end, to join me in a pledge to refrain from flying for a year. Will you raise your hands? Nope. Nada. One of two, the rest of us wanted to do something but not give up the flights to Spain for winter rock, the alps in the summer, etc.I suspect there will need to be a toning down of some policies like nuclear disarmament and banning short haul domestic flights.
But to be honest most of their manifesto is exactly what as a country we should be doing.
Green Party manifesto 2024: Key policies analysed
BBC correspondents analyse key policies in the Green Party manifesto.www.bbc.co.uk
This is what I don't get about the Greens.I suspect there will need to be a toning down of some policies like nuclear disarmament and banning short haul domestic flights.
Only the dumb people...This is what I don't get about the Greens.
Their policies scare the crap out of most people.
"Should" and "will" are not the same thing. I remember a few years back at a mountaineering talk there was someone with a green bent. Yes, we were all on board. We're all affected by climate change, mountaineers have seen it at first hand. We need to curb it. So I'm asking you all, he said at the end, to join me in a pledge to refrain from flying for a year. Will you raise your hands? Nope. Nada. One of two, the rest of us wanted to do something but not give up the flights to Spain for winter rock, the alps in the summer, etc.
Only the dumb people...
Can you quote these "policies" from the Green manifesto?This is what I don't get about the Greens.
Their policies scare the crap out of most people. Yet they seem to think people will vote for them.
Who is going to vote for not being able to get diesel and petrol for their car, and fuel for the trucks that distribute food to people.
Who is going to vote for not being able to get to work.
Who is going to vote for ripping out their central heating because it's incompatible with a heat pump.
The aims are laudable but just don't connect with the masses that are just about managing.
I mean, have you seen the UK?With the Greens currently polling at 6%, are you suggesting 94% of the UK population is dumb?
This is what I don't get about the Greens.
Their policies scare the crap out of most people. Yet they seem to think people will vote for them.
I just double checked. I can't see them.Can you quote these "policies" from the Green manifesto?
This is what I don't get about the Greens.
Their policies scare the crap out of most people. Yet they seem to think people will vote for them.
Who is going to vote for not being able to get diesel and petrol for their car, and fuel for the trucks that distribute food to people.
Who is going to vote for not being able to get to work.
Who is going to vote for ripping out their central heating because it's incompatible with a heat pump.
The aims are laudable but just don't connect with the masses that are just about managing.
I mean, have you seen the UK?