ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes. We are heading towards plutocracy and Labour will be the next step in that direction
General Election 2024
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Tony L
Administrator
The ERG lot are Reform. It makes sense for them to line-up behind Farage and campaign all-out for a Trump/Putin-style fascism. I’m not convinced there are any ‘one nation’ types left. Johnson purged them all prior to 2019 just as forcefully as Starmer has purged his left/BAME MPs and councillors.
Prior to 2019 there were at least a handful of Tory MPs I didn’t view as monsters or crooks. Some I respected even if I didn’t agree with them. That is no longer the case. They were all very forcibly ejected. Starmer has done much the same. The people I liked in Labour are either ejected already, or standing very close to the door.
Gangster turf wars again.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes agree. The question I was pointing to is will the ERGers join Reform, or will Reform take over the Tory brand. Either will be the same party, it’s just a question of what they call themselves.
The Tory brand might be more palatable which might mean a lot of non-ERGers leave for the new-Tory.
You might be right about the One Nation lot, they seem to have gone the same way as the left in Labour!
Quite a bit of what you ask for could happen under a Labour govt. I reckon closer ties to the EU are a given & some commitments to green energy.
I think the Tories have really pushed the boundaries as to what even the most thick racist will stand with multiple changes of leader.
I could equally be wrong but we have to try & be a bit optimistic.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Streeting on LK just now mentioned “growth” again and again. He didn’t mention inequality, but then it’s only mentioned once in Labour’s manifesto so obviously not a priority.
The theory of growth that Labour have adopted based on austerity, and underpin all Labour’s spending plans, has only produced decline in growth.
The promised jam tomorrow has not been delivered because the theory is based on bollocks
Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results is a madness that rums contrary to the data
The theory of growth that Labour have adopted based on austerity, and underpin all Labour’s spending plans, has only produced decline in growth.
The promised jam tomorrow has not been delivered because the theory is based on bollocks
Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results is a madness that rums contrary to the data
droodzilla
pfm Member
There's no Magic Growth Tree.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
I suspect there will need to be a toning down of some policies like nuclear disarmament and banning short haul domestic flights.
But to be honest most of their manifesto is exactly what as a country we should be doing.
Green Party manifesto 2024: Key policies analysed
BBC correspondents analyse key policies in the Green Party manifesto.
www.bbc.co.uk
"Should" and "will" are not the same thing. I remember a few years back at a mountaineering talk there was someone with a green bent. Yes, we were all on board. We're all affected by climate change, mountaineers have seen it at first hand. We need to curb it. So I'm asking you all, he said at the end, to join me in a pledge to refrain from flying for a year. Will you raise your hands? Nope. Nada. One of two, the rest of us wanted to do something but not give up the flights to Spain for winter rock, the alps in the summer, etc.I suspect there will need to be a toning down of some policies like nuclear disarmament and banning short haul domestic flights.
But to be honest most of their manifesto is exactly what as a country we should be doing.
Green Party manifesto 2024: Key policies analysed
BBC correspondents analyse key policies in the Green Party manifesto.www.bbc.co.uk
Minio
Kind of Sort of Not really...
This is what I don't get about the Greens.
Their policies scare the crap out of most people. Yet they seem to think people will vote for them.
Who is going to vote for not being able to get diesel and petrol for their car, and fuel for the trucks that distribute food to people.
Who is going to vote for not being able to get to work.
Who is going to vote for ripping out their central heating because it's incompatible with a heat pump.
The aims are laudable but just don't connect with the masses that are just about managing.
tuga
Legal Alien
Only the dumb people...
Ponty
pfm Member
Yep, that’s the reality. The world is full of tourists. In the best interests of the planet, that would all grind to a halt, but so too would the world economy. Planes, cruise ships, lorries, cars, trains, busses, all a complete environmental disaster, however they’re powered. Just the manufacturing and infrastructure alone is hugely destructive. IMHO the only hope is to control global population levels, but that’s about as likely as people giving up foreign holidays.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
With the Greens currently polling at 6%, are you suggesting 94% of the UK population is dumb?
vince rocker
pfm Member
Can you quote these "policies" from the Green manifesto?
Shimi
-⃝⃤
I mean, have you seen the UK?
Tony L
Administrator
They actually don’t. I saw a poll yesterday suggesting the majority are very positive to Green Party policies, though annoyingly I can’t find it again (I can never find anything on Twitter again once I’ve scrolled past it!).
Ignore the couple of miserable old Tory boomer shitposters here. They represent the dying generation that destroyed the UK and the global environment, certainly no one younger than 50. They are the politics of the past. A past that needs to die if this planet is to survive.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
I just double checked. I can't see them.
Our 2024 General Election Manifesto - Green Party
Real hope.Real change. Millions of people in our country are feeling insecure and deeply worried about the future. We live in one of the richest countries on the planet, yet nurses are using food banks, our children’s schools are crumbling, a roof over our heads is all too often unaffordable...
greenparty.org.uk
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Do they?
Not seen that in their manifesto
What is the Green Party Plan For ripping out central heating? Or does ripping out mean phasing in here?
OK