ks.234
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Methinks my condemnation of the Labour Party’s economics is what this is really about.
The rest is just nonsense.
Fascism V Fascism.
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The rest is just nonsense.
ks.234
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I’m not left.
ks.234
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Glad you enjoyed the show. I presume you’re waiting for more?It's like the Jerry Springer Show for lefties.
Prime time entertainment.
Cheese
Bitter lover
Sadly, that’s exactly what’s happening.
ks.234
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No. The right is not winning because the left is squabbling. The right is winning because that is where the centre is now.
You can’t attribute agency to left and right but not centre.
The right is the mainstream now.
It is the centre ground.
Nick_G
pfm Member
They are but this is what the CHAOS does...
ks.234
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But they’re not, that is the point. One is neoliberal and the other is social democratic. The one was invented to declare war on the other after the horrors of the New Deal.
It has won. Neoliberalism is winning. It has won over the Labour Party that’s for sure
The problem is that it is quite hard to accept that Labour are neoliberal and justify voting for them.
Minio
Kind of Sort of Not really...
As you have mentioned
It was Callaghan’s response to recession and a lack of dynamism in nationalised industries like Post Office Telephones.
They preceded Thatcher with it so we should be used to it by now.
It was Callaghan’s response to recession and a lack of dynamism in nationalised industries like Post Office Telephones.
ks.234
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Yes, Callaghan adopted neoliberalism when he abandoned ‘Keynesianism’, and it got him into big trouble with the IMF.
There were newspaper articles describing Healy as a Monetarist well before Howe
Callaghan, not Thatcher, is the root of all evil.
Bullshit. I don't give two shits what you or anyone else thinks about the Labour Party. You get one vote, so do I.
You know what this is about, I've said so. Repeatedly. Put up or shut up. You can't or won't do either. So carry on talking shite, at least some of us find it amusing .
ks.234
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Yes, but more specially it was Stagflation, a combination of high unemployment and inflation which the ‘Keynesian’ mathematical models said, or were interpreted to say, couldn’t happen at the same time.
Stagflation was seen as a failure of the ‘Keynesian’ model. Hence Callaghan’s Blackpool Speech
ks.234
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Methinks you do protest too much
Methinks that you can't ever admit that you were wrong. I'll ask you once again, put up or shut up. But you can't do either, can you? Oh how that scab must itch, you just can't leave it alone.
One quote proving that you'd defined your version of neoliberalism prior to this weekend, at any point over, what, the last 6 months, and I'd say "Oh right, so you did, sorry I missed that, carry on" and that would be it resolved. But you can't, because you didn't, and c an't bear to admit it, now or anytime over however many months. That really must itch. Go on, scratch it again. It's just funny now.
ks.234
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Oh Christ, here you go again, repeating the same thing again and again over and over.
You keep accusing me of “never” having defined neoliberalism. I notice you’ve just added “in the last 6 months” but that is not where you started
Until you evidence your ridiculous accusation, it will remain what it is, ridiculous.
You made the accusation, it is not up to me to prove my innocence, it is up to you, the accuser, to provide evidence to demonstrate my guilt.
It is really that basic.
All we have is your wild accusation that you keep repeating over and over but no evidence, no substance, nothing.
Put up or shut up indeed.
You made the accusation, you substantiate it.
droodzilla
pfm Member
citation needed
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
When I was around eight or nine years old, I went into school one morning to find a load of swarthy looking kids who spoke no English had suddenly turned up in our school. Over the next few months they began, in faltering English, to tell us about how they had been forced to flee their home because the government wanted to kill their fathers.
The CIA instigated Chilean coup was the first big experiment in neoliberalism. Over the months the Chilean kids English improved. We all learnt a little bit about Chile, but they missed out on the bit about the public good and participatory democracy.
The CIA instigated Chilean coup was the first big experiment in neoliberalism. Over the months the Chilean kids English improved. We all learnt a little bit about Chile, but they missed out on the bit about the public good and participatory democracy.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
Whatever they were for, it's blindingly obvious that the present version is exactly as I described it above. It is essentially a recipe for unbridled capitalism, and as such, is incompatible with the equitable operation of a civilised, democratic society. This is precisely what the Tories have struggled with, as they try to portray a 'caring' approach, whilst clearly doing the exact opposite.
ks.234
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you wont get one. Hayek was opposed a basic income.
He did support certain means tested benefits, but only because such things should would hinder the free market, so government can handle them. And we are talking the bare minimum required to avoid too much disruption.
The truth is that because of it’s deep roots in an ideology of purely transactional notions of efficiency, it is purposefully amoral.
The common good is a moral question that literally does not count. The costs of the NHS are on the balance sheet, the benefits, not so much.