Cheese
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I don’t think he cares that much about what he is, as long as he is in control.
Fascism V Fascism.
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matthewr
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There is plenty of excellent discussion of Fascism and the rise of the far right on PFM and quite rightly so. My point was that this very much isn't that.
The Rise of the Far Right
Is it necessarily a bad thing? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44333596
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PaulMB
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There is an old Neapolitan saying that declares that power is better than sex.
PaulMB
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Yes, but if you have power you don't need to look your best.
ks.234
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Fair enoughThere is plenty of excellent discussion of Fascism and the rise of the far right on PFM and quite rightly so. My point was that this very much isn't that.
The Rise of the Far Right
Is it necessarily a bad thing? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44333596
Cheese
Bitter lover
I don’t think Putin is in withdrawal.
vince rocker
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And the troll who started it has f'd off back to their room for a few more swigs on their secret whisky stash.This is like a political discussion by a group of old men sat in lawn chairs in the garden of their retirement home
Peter Dyer
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I don't know the truth but Sachs tells it a different way, he briefly talks about his involvent in this interview at around the 14 minuite mark. As usual, he blames eveything on American foreign policy and I've no idea what he must have been smoking to come up with that idea..
Cheese
Bitter lover
Should this be aimed at me, I’ve never said this.
But islam can definitely be neoliberal, as almost all of the Arabian peninsula impressively suggests.
There is plenty of excellent discussion of Fascism and the rise of the far right on PFM and quite rightly so. My point was that this very much isn't that.
The Rise of the Far Right
Is it necessarily a bad thing? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44333596
Then why didn't you just say that rather than getting in another opportunity for a bit of snide.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
A “just puttin it out there” thread? What’s horrific is the volume of Farage supporters now openly saying “let them burn ( Grenfell Tower and Gaza),let them drown“.
Fascism is already here. They’re waging war.
Shimi
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The Fash has historically had a good eye for sharp tailoring…
ks.234
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Sachs is now eco warrior (ish) but in the past he advised a number of countries, including most of Latin America and Russia on liberating themselves from Communism with “shock therapy” tactics based on privatisation, deregulation and public spending cuts (sound familiar?).
The American Foreign policy that he blames, is the foreign policy he promoted.
He seems to have had a revelation that has caused him certain logical issues
ks.234
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Plutocracy is certainly here.
All out Fascism, we will have to see.
We’re certainly heading in the direction of Reform
PaulMB
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ks.234
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To be fair, the OP was asking about fascism and communism. Such words do tend to elicit a sigh because they can mean different things. The same happens with words like ideology or neoliberalism. They are used as loose terms of abuse rather than descriptors of anything specific.
Fascism and Communism are both totalitarian.
Neoliberalism tends towards totalitarianism.
Democracy tries to tend away from it.
Ideology is what differenciates them
You know it's not. Democracy is a means of choosing a leadership. Capitalism is an economic structure and philosophy. A democracy can vote for capitalism in greater or lesser degrees, look at the UK.
No, it's about letting the many have a day in who runs the country. Voters can vote for more of less resource distribution.
Because we have not to date voted for a party that wished to do so.
Yank
Bulbous Also Tapered
Hmm, sounds all very Chicago School...
Chefren
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Just to clear things up, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics never were nor claimed to be communist. They were socialist, more precisely state socialist (centrally planned economy etc.).
They were lead by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who called themselves that because they had an ideological goal to eventually usher in communism. This never happened, nor did anyone in the USSR claim it ever did.
This was all in accordance with the steps set out by Marx and Engels, first a workers' revolution, then a state socialist system that eventually transitions to a communist society and the eventual dissolution of the state in favor of communes.
Communism is an utopia that is just as much of a pipe dream as working anarchism. State socialism is not an utopia, because for example the USSR showed that you can run a state on that system, just not very well.
Anyone equating fascism with socialism either doesn't understand these systems at all, or is gaslighting. While fascism as an ideology doesn't especially care very much about the financial system, so far they have all eventually turned into zombie-capitalist systems where the small business owner might retain control of their company (until the erosion of the rule of law takes it away from them) but big company owners have to either toe the party line / become oligarchs or have their businesses taken from them and handed over to the oligarchy. If they are stupid enough to do autarky and price controls as well, this tend to really do a number on fascist economies and a bustling black market will inevitably pop up to fill the gaps.
Some did better than others, fascist Italy survived far longer than Nazi Germany, but then again Hitler's goal was always conquest and lebensraum in the east, not building up a healthy economy.