European Parliament elections
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zarniwoop
hoopy frood
Understandable... 2 cheeks of the same arse.
jackbarron
Chelsea, London
No I haven't. I am highly suspicious of the Gina Miller website though, which completely ignores the Greens and lauds the Lib Dems.
Remain Voter recommend:
East Midlands - Vote Green
Eastern England - Vote Green
London - Vote Change UK
North East - Vote Liberal Democrat
North West - Vote Green
Northern Ireland - Vote your preference: Alliance; SDLP; Green; Sinn Fein
Scotland - Vote Liberal Democrats to win 2 Remain seats
South East - Vote Change UK
South West - Vote Green
Wales - Vote Liberal Democrats
West Midlands - Vote Green
Yorkshire and the Humber - Vote Green
There's an explanation for each recommendation, but that's the lot.
Jack
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Jack, how about we worry about the idealogical purity later and just make sure we vote for Remain parties on this, as opposed to the Brexit parties?
ff1d1l
pfm Member
You really think about this stuff, don't you?
Hempknight
pfm Member
They all look a bit rapey tbh.
martin clark
pinko bodger
Its the utter lack-of-clarity /uncertainty about how 'the Party' will move, that is putting everyone off.
At this point - there's more than a whiff of 'spineless opportunists' caught between nailing the Tories to the wall for 'brexit, not on our watch' and ...oh, several other apparent in-fighting themes.
As one who'd naturally vote in Opposition currently - it is (to quote M Renton, many years ago) a totally shite state of affairs.
wyjsar
Nothing but heart
They don't seem interested in stopping Brexit, only in implementing their version of it. So voting for them doesn't work for me.
MikeMA
pfm Member
Up to a point, but there are such things as non-tariff barriers to trade. In many ways tariffs are - relatively speaking -the easy bit.
For the avoidance I'm a remainer and not in any way advocating a no deal brexit on WTO terms, or zero tariffs.
Swamp Thing
Remainiac Terrorist
Indeed. In one way Labour provides a haven for the Brexit "don't know" voter, as we just don't really know what their honest position on Brexit really is. Indeed, in a genuinely non-hierarchical manner, even if you were a member of Labour's National Executive I don't think you'd really know what Labour's position on Brexit was.
Nick_G
pfm Member
It's like the political equivalent of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle: the position and the velocity of Corbyn cannot both be measured exactly, at the same time.
MikeMA
pfm Member
I reckon Corbyn will prove to be the most disasterous labour leader of all time. At least Michael Foot, who I didn't support either, had something between his ears.
jackbarron
Chelsea, London
Stunsworth
pfm Member
He’s probably going to lose yet another election against the weakest government in my lifetime, but if he does the usual suspects will be telling us there were extenuating circumstances.
Paul R
pfm Member
What you've quoted there is an anonymous letter posted unqualified online. Perhaps you could go to the source and confirm the assertion as fact before spreading it approvingly? Otherwise it is just another piece of fake news.
https://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/default.aspx?pdffile=CDL-AD(2007)008rev-cor-e
Fill your boots. Don't be a low information commentator.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
It's the same guy with and without glasses!
How can anyone not notice?
I see C4 did not point out that voting for another party is not the same as being in another party (as Widdicombe is)
Still, they rarely as the important questions—such as how come you can register as a party with no members and opaque funding a few weeks before a national election?
Stephen
droodzilla
pfm Member
Bridgen = Clark Kent.
Francois = ?
Francois = ?
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Easy mistake, they look almost identical and they’re identically odious.
tuga
Legal Alien
Full! Keywords: opinion, informed, effects, funding, annulled, binding, stage, consultative.
3.1. Freedom of voters to form an opinion
c. The question put to the vote must be clear; it must not be misleading; it must not suggest an answer; electors must be informed of the effects of the referendum; voters must be able to answer the questions asked solely by yes, no or a blank vote.
24. National rules on both public and private funding of political parties and election campaigns must be applicable to referendum campaigns (point II.3.4.a). As in the case of elections, funding must be transparent, particularly when it comes to campaign accounts. In the event of a failure to abide by the statutory requirements, for instance if the cap on spending is exceeded by a significant margin, the vote may be annulled19. It should be pointed out that the principle of equality of opportunity applies to public funding; equality should be ensured between a proposal’s supporters and opponents (point I.2.2.d).
29. A “yes” vote on a specifically-worded draft – at least in the case of a legally binding referendum – means a statute is enacted and the procedure comes to an end, subject to procedural aspects such as publication and promulgation. On the other hand, a “yes” vote on a question of principle or a generally-worded proposal is simply a stage, which will be followed by the drafting and subsequent enactment of a statute. Combining a specifically-worded draft with a generally-worded proposal or a question of principle would create confusion, preventing electors from being informed of the import of their votes and thereby prejudicing their free suffrage.
53. If electors are to cast an informed vote, it is essential for them to be informed of the effects of their votes; it must therefore be clearly specified in the Constitution or by law whether referendums are legally binding or consultative (point III.8.a, cf. point I.3.1.c on free suffrage).
54. Where a legally binding referendum concerns a question of principle or a generally-worded proposal, it is up to Parliament to implement the people’s decision. Parliament may be obstructive, particularly where its direct interests are affected (reducing the number of members of Parliament or the allowances paid to them, for example). It is preferable, therefore, for referendums on questions of principle or generally-worded proposals to be consultative. If they are legally binding, the subsequent procedure should be laid down in specific constitutional or legislative rules. It should be possible to appeal before the courts in the event that Parliament fails to act (point III.8.b).
Unfortunately there's no reference on how to define majority.
Paul R
pfm Member
The Electoral Commission can answer all these questions. Start at https://www.electoralcommission.org...l-parties/registering-and-maintaining-a-party