Electric cars and voltage drops and hifi
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Here in Sweden most houses and flats has 3 phase connection, typically used for the citchen stowe and central heating system. I have it myself, but no EV and probaly never will. Nothing against EV's, but when they've dropped down to my price range they will be filled with government regulated electronics to monitor how, why and where I'm driving.
I think that will happen everywhere. I think limiters and trackers are inevitable as that's the way things are going. More and more government control over every aspect of your life. George Orwell understated it. The sad part is that so many people don't see the danger and applaud each new restriction on what you can say or even what you can think. They are foolish enough to believe that as long as they agree with them they'll be safe.
Yeah, but am I the only person who finds this scary?
serendipitydawg
Dag nabbit!
But is it a conspiracy? I'd rather be still be alive to enjoy what remain of my human rights. Forgive me for saying that I think that there's some paranoia lurking within, what I take to be, covid-inspired sub-text.
Yes and no. Are there people with an agenda seeking to control the world? Of course. It's not hard to prove, they admit it, but I think their influence is limited but it doesn't matter. It's just human nature. We want to control things and the more power we get the more we want to control.
If you don't think there is more going on than just trying to stop a virus I don't think you're looking closely enough.
serendipitydawg
Dag nabbit!
Can we perhaps agree that Boris & Nicola are both opportunistic w*nkers?
Ha ha, no argument from me! ;0)
One thing I found amusing, I'm in Scotland and Sturgeon is practically a folk hero here. It was a regular occurrence in the tea room to hear everyone praise her handling of the pandemic while saying Boris was a useless idiot. I got fed up with this one day and said
'Hang on. If Boris is useless and Nicola doing a great job, what is she doing that is substantially different to what he's doing?'
None of them had an answer but it highlights how much people are swayed by personality. They like or dislike the person and are almost blind to what they actually do. Boris comes across as a bumbling clown but he said he would take us out of Europe, he said he would get a deal and he's done it. Labour immediately said it was a terrible deal when, like the rest of us, they had absolutely no idea what was in it!
Trump is a horrible human being, can't deny it, but what he has achieved in the Middle East is remarkable. He's the only US president in recent history who has not started a war and his work in normalizing relations between Israel and their Arab neighbors is staggering but will this be recognized? Not a chance, because nobody likes him. If anyone else had done what he has they'd be given a Nobel Peace prize. They gave Obama one when he hadn't done a thing!
It's going to be our downfall. Ordinary people are too swayed by personality. Put a suave, sweet talking man with evil intent in charge of the world and we're fecked.
TonyScarlett
pfm Member
WTF?????!!!!!
davidsrsb
pfm Member
The greatest short term profits for the car and oil industry are from doing nothing and continuing business as usual ICE technology.
Only political pressure can change that
Here in socialistic Sweden they introduced such system for diesel vehicles in the 1970's. Very crude, it logged how many miles you where driving and then you payed tax afterwards when the authorities had checked your meter.
Now the sky is the limit when it comes to such systems, they can check every movement, every speed viaolation, where you park, where you charge and how much, if you wash your car on a sunny day, etc, etc. If they can, they will, and they will tell us it's for our own good.
Remember, Stasi didn't keep records of every DDR person just because they where a particulary evil state, they did it because with their system they could relegate the resources to do it.
Only very short term. I believe car manufacturers have seen the writing on the wall and know that electric cars are the future. I also think they know car buyer needs and desires better than the government does and, if left to their own devices, will develop electric cars at a pace which integrates with them.
Car manufacturers are very on the ball. The field has been whittled down to relatively few large players and these guys seldom make catastrophic mistakes. They do it, but they're typically limited in impact and scope. What we're looking at here is a fundamental shift in product type being forced upon all car manufacturers with absolutely no regard for buy choice or needs. It is driven by political ideology and nothing else, and it may backfire.
If people buy electric cars and there not ready, if the cars lets them down, you could see a wholesale rejection of them. If manufacturers get burned because they make cars that don't sell they could revolt. There are a lot of reasons this could go wrong and to see electric cars as some magic bullet that's going to save the polar bears is blinkered.
davidsrsb
pfm Member
Electric motors are inefficient at light load. This means that over powerful cars like Teslas are at a disadvantage in normal driving unless they have multiple motors to allow some to be disconnected
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f15/10097517.pdf
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f15/10097517.pdf
Granted, but you're missing my entire point. They are not cheaper to make right now!
There are a lot of issues which need to be fixed before elecric cars will work for everyone. Or nearly everyone, I believe there will always be a small section of the population who won't be able to use them.
They are expensive, they don't work properly in the cold, most of them can't tow, the range is limited, replacing the batteries is expensive, the infrastructure is not ready and no one agrees on how, when or if it can get ready, so many issues.
It's really easy for tree huggy dreamers to push these ideals and ****y politicians to go on brownie point hunts agreeing with them but reality will kick your teeth in. If you live in a city with no drive to park in their answer is on street charging but you'd think their people have never been in a city! Thousands of people forced to park where they can find a space, will they put chargers on every single space? What happens when you come out in the morning to go to work and find the local toddlers have unplugged all the cars in the street? Or when half of the chargers have been vandalized and don't work?
Supporter talk about how great electric cars are but it's not just about the cars. The whole system has to be as reliable as the cars themselves for this Elastoplast to stick and that is a long way off. If you look back at the predictions and claims made by Tesla and other advocates fifteen years ago you'll see how far short they've fallen. Yes, progress has been made but it's nowhere near the pace they're suggesting.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Mr Pig, things will improve. You’ve said it! These are early days, and almost every aspect of EVs will have changed drastically by 2030. Anyone who really, really does need a pure IC powered car will be allowed to keep it, they’re not saying you’ll have to surrender them.
And I’m guessing there’ll be some very clever and very powerful hybrid vehicles for towing mobile road blocks, sorry, caravans around the countryside.
And I’m guessing there’ll be some very clever and very powerful hybrid vehicles for towing mobile road blocks, sorry, caravans around the countryside.