I’d love to see some evidence - or even some mildly informed logic - to support that bizarre assertion!
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I’d love to see some evidence - or even some mildly informed logic - to support that bizarre assertion!
Hook
Blackbeard's former bo'sun.
Just watched an interview with Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He was FDA commissioner under the previous administration (but I don't hold that against him). He made an interesting point about this new South Africa variant. He was using past pandemics as precedents where we saw major virus mutation. In those cases, more deadly versions arose, but their transmission rate was often much lower.
I hope this proves to be true. It was the first hopeful message I've heard about it, but as everyone knows, the lab tests needed to give us better guidance have only just begun.
I hope this proves to be true. It was the first hopeful message I've heard about it, but as everyone knows, the lab tests needed to give us better guidance have only just begun.
gavreid
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Sean99 can speak for himself but I interpreted him to mean profiteeering, control over IP and the failure to allow regionalised manufacturing in Africa. A little emotional maybe but this all seems worrying, hc. SA is the richest of the southern African nations and is not short of vaccines apparently, but it lacks the infrastructure to roll them out.
gavreid
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not necessarily but it's not good news
Andrew C!
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Not sure where that is a quote from?
Seanm
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It's Chris Whitty, from the panel discussion mentioned upthread.
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
Thanks. I only skim read this thread today. Too busy going to see my 4 classes, each of 30 year 6 students, for their last DARE25 session.
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
@Seanm @gavreid I’m no defender of pharma marketing departments, but the world in which the companies operate makes it easy to criticise and difficult for them to resolve. Even releasing IP for vaccines which sounds easy will be fraught with gotchas too many to list here, and probably more than I could come up with.
What’s is not helpful is saying that CEOs are choosing who lives and dies. That’s not over-emotional or overstated, it is obscene and rather quickly forgets that the shit we are in would be over our heads by now if those CEOs hadn’t signed off on chucking everything at getting products out.
Rant over and I’m not visiting this subject again.
What’s is not helpful is saying that CEOs are choosing who lives and dies. That’s not over-emotional or overstated, it is obscene and rather quickly forgets that the shit we are in would be over our heads by now if those CEOs hadn’t signed off on chucking everything at getting products out.
Rant over and I’m not visiting this subject again.
gavreid
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I don't think so matt. I still believe that we're in for at least 5 years but that better vaccines will be developed and the virus will become less of a threat in time - but what do I know...
paulfromcamden
Baffled
I liked the bit at the end about wearing a mask, keeping your hands clean, ventilating rooms and avoiding crowds. That seems like good advice.
Cav
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Covid will be like flu, how we live with it is the problem and a world in repetitive lockdown is no answer.
Yep, she basically described everything schools in the UK aren't!
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
Paul,
I know we tend to fixate on the measures we personally can do easily (e.g., work from home in my case) or have done (e.g., got poked in the arm if you're in the developed world), but battling this bugger of a virus has to be from multiple angles.
It's like when the ship is under attack by the Romulans. Raise shields (mask up and fix the ventilation), power up the phaser banks (vaccinate), arm the photon torpedos (boosters if warranted), and have the engines ready to engage at warp 9.65 if you need to hightail it outta there (social distancing).
Sorry to virus up this Trek thread, but sometimes you need a good analogy.
Joe
I know we tend to fixate on the measures we personally can do easily (e.g., work from home in my case) or have done (e.g., got poked in the arm if you're in the developed world), but battling this bugger of a virus has to be from multiple angles.
It's like when the ship is under attack by the Romulans. Raise shields (mask up and fix the ventilation), power up the phaser banks (vaccinate), arm the photon torpedos (boosters if warranted), and have the engines ready to engage at warp 9.65 if you need to hightail it outta there (social distancing).
Sorry to virus up this Trek thread, but sometimes you need a good analogy.
Joe
Seanm
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Other Sean.
Just objectively though, regardless of personal blame, it’s pretty clear the pharmaceutical industry might not be operating optimally, from a health perspective.
gavreid
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It would be naive to think otherwise but it's helpful to define the problem here. Why does Pfizer remain at more than 10x the cost per dose of AZ given that it's becoming old technology and that it was a product of public investment?
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