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Corbyn sceptics, what do you think of him now (part II)?

richardg

richardg

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Rosie said:
I'm saying he's got what he wants. Taking charge of the Labour Party and enjoying one glorious defeat after another . It's back to Tony Benn's 6 million votes for socialism back in 83. Corbyn lost , he lost big . What are the Corbyn fans celebrating ? His leadership of the Labour Party. If the Tory's had run a competent campaign with a 3D leader things would have been very different .
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You can only play what is in front of you and it is a long game. The election was only one set. Tories are toast, mate. It's a continuing downward spiral. Making 3 million expats basically wear a leper bell is going to be the final nail in the coffin.
 
eternumviti said:
OK. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, his voting record and his clear antipathy to remain, Jeremy Corbyn is robustly pro-EU.
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Well we know he was 7 out of 10 in favor of EU membership which for a guy with strongly held views isn't an endorsement. He ignored Alan Johnson and the Labour Remain campaign . He and his team just not interested .
 
maxflinn said:
Absolute nonsense and you must know it.
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Far from it. What May did is neither here nor there, Corbyn's 7/10 'endorsment' of the EU was no help. A similar percentage of youth vote last year would indeed have prevented this shambles but JC couldn't bury his own eurosceptic tendency.
 
SteveS1 said:
Far from it. What May did is neither here nor there, Corbyn's 7/10 'endorsment' of the EU was no help. A similar percentage of youth vote last year would indeed have prevented this shambles but JC couldn't bury his own eurosceptic tendency.
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On principle? :)
 
eternumviti said:
OK. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, his voting record and his clear antipathy to remain, Jeremy Corbyn is robustly pro-EU.
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Most of the crooks you place your faith is were heavily pro remain pre 2016.

Just a tiny bit of research on your part is all that's needed to become relatively informed.:rolleyes:

Some more?

Very much reminiscent of a low grade, fifth form troll I'm afraid EV. Could do better.

It's also worth remembering that Brexit is very much a Tory made problem and Tories generally do not listen to leaders of the Labour Party.

At the referendum the Labour vote was 62:38 in favour of Remain. The equivalent figures for Conservative voters were 58% to 42% in favour of Leave and the UKIP vote entirely to leave.
 
eternumviti said:
You are talking nonsense. If Corbyn had raised his game to the level he did during the recent election, remain would have won.

The fact of the matter is that he didn't raise his game. Why do you think that might that have been?

I suggest it is because he is and always has been anti-EU, probably because he sees it for what it actually is. He voted against membership of the Common Market, against Maastricht, and against Lisbon.
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Corbyn is a known 'Eurosceptic'.. at least. That is no secret.

But Corbyn is also a Democrat in senses that the current Tories have no concept of... so he will go along with the Referendum result.. but he will also listen to the voices of caution because, unlike the rabid Brexiteers, he will see the pitfalls and also have heed to the ( almost certainly now) 50% who want to remain. Tories supporting May can hardly criticise him for that. May was also a remainer.. 'till it suited her not to be.

All of which in any case pales into insignificance when compared to Corbyn's vision for Britain either in or out of the EU. People are longing for an end to the lies, the asset stripping, the destruction of services, the sneaking privatisations, the social divisiveness and the general policy set which is turning this country into a Third World shit hole.

All those incurable Tory voters who seem blind to the damage being wrought and who still long for the mythical 'Golden Age' which we have somehow lost?

Maybe they'd like to be the first to experience a return to Ricketts , Polio, Typhoid, 20% infant mortality rates, tenements, Workhouses. etc. After all.. that is exactly what we had when our great British Empire was it its peak.

Mull
 
Mullardman said:
Corbyn is a known 'Eurosceptic'.. at least. That is no secret.

But Corbyn is also a Democrat in senses that the current Tories have no concept of... so he will go along with the Referendum result.. but he will also listen to the voices of caution because, unlike the rabid Brexiteers, he will see the pitfalls and also have heed to the ( almost certainly now) 50% who want to remain. Tories supporting May can hardly criticise him for that. May was also a remainer.. 'till it suited her not to be.

All of which in any case pales into insignificance when compared to Corbyn's vision for Britain either in or out of the EU. People are longing for an end to the lies, the asset stripping, the destruction of services, the sneaking privatisations, the social divisiveness and the general policy set which is turning this country into a Third World shit hole.

All those incurable Tory voters who seem blind to the damage being wrought and who still long for the mythical 'Golden Age' which we have somehow lost?

Maybe they'd like to be the first to experience a return to Ricketts , Polio, Typhoid, 20% infant mortality rates, tenements, Workhouses. etc. After all.. that is exactly what we had when our great British Empire was it its peak.

Mull
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Good post, Mull.
 
SteveS1 said:
Far from it. What May did is neither here nor there, Corbyn's 7/10 'endorsment' of the EU was no help. A similar percentage of youth vote last year would indeed have prevented this shambles but JC couldn't bury his own eurosceptic tendency.
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Sorry but Corbyn isn't a magician who can just wave his magic wand and gain the support of the young regardless of the issue.

He was able to gain their support during the election campaign because his anti-establishment, anti-austerity, fairer society message resonated with them.

Brexit was different. Remain was seen as the pro-establishment position. He did his best but too many people were in anti-establishment mode, and the young who preferred to remain but didn't vote probably thought remain would win anyway, as everybody else did. That was their fault, not Corbyn's.

Blaming Corbyn for Brexit is nonsense.


eternumviti said:
What the hell has May got to do with a conversation about Corbyn's position regarding the EU?
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Well she was the Home Secretary at the time yet did shag all to help the remain cause. Corbyn at least did his best.
 
SteveS1 said:
So he will have to decide which half of his current support to piss off. :p

Welcome to real politics JC, the glorious principled protest voter now wishes to be elected.
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He's wonderful at pointing out what's wrong with everything, as we all are, but the value is being able to put it right. His career has been so limited that as far as I can tell there isn't any evidence of him having formulated a policy and successfully put it in to action with a consequent successful outcome. That includes the election.
 
TPA, you will find that civil servants are tasked with doing that.

A PM simply has to empower them to do so rather than shackling them and making their jobs impossible.
 
TPA said:
She's wonderful at pointing out what's wrong with everything, as we all are, but the value is being able to put it right. Her career has been so limited that as far as I can tell there isn't any evidence of her having formulated a policy and successfully put it in to action with a consequent successful outcome. That includes the election.
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FIFY
 
TPA said:
He's wonderful at pointing out what's wrong with everything, as we all are, but the value is being able to put it right.
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Oh FFS TPA, look at what the Tories have done to the country, do you see any of that as putting things right?

Do you think May put anything right as HS as she gave Libyan's living in Manchester free passage to go and join Wahhabist terror groups in Libya then come back any time they liked so they can bomb Brits, and cut 20,000 police?

The Tories are posh gangsters! They're raping your country right under your nose but all you see is problems with Corbyn :rolleyes:
 
TPA said:
He's wonderful at pointing out what's wrong with everything, as we all are, but the value is being able to put it right. His career has been so limited that as far as I can tell there isn't any evidence of him having formulated a policy and successfully put it in to action with a consequent successful outcome. That includes the election.
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Whereas by comparison.. the vastly experienced and phenomenally intelligent May, has so far achieved what... exactly?

Mull
 
I'm a Corbyn sceptic

I'm telling you what I think

:D

Perhaps we can have another thread, '1001 reasons why Corbyn should father my children'
 
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