Corbyn sceptics, what do you think of him now?

[eternumviti]

If you believe Corbyn could have prevented Brexit, your sadly mistaken, the guy had no respect from the public at the time
What the election gave him the chance to do was show who he really is without the chains around his neck from the media, they had a good go but at the end of the day, he came over as an honest guy who wants the best for this country, this is why May is currently in bed with the DUP, she should have walked the election but the guy surprised people, he ran a much better campaign as he is a better politician & far more capable of getting this country back to where it should be, currently we are a laughing stock.

You are talking nonsense. If Corbyn had raised his game to the level he did during the recent election, remain would have won.

The fact of the matter is that he didn't raise his game. Why do you think that might that have been?

I suggest it is because he is and always has been anti-EU, probably because he sees it for what it actually is. He voted against membership of the Common Market, against Maastricht, and against Lisbon.

 

[cooky1257]

Late to the party, I know, but may I please correct this? Sinn Féin is the political wing of the IRA. However, the DUP is the political wing not of a terrorist organisation, but of Ian Paisley's fundamentalist Free Presbyterian Church.

The latter started at Lissara Presbyterian in Crossgar (an old university friend was minister there) - Paisley split the church and formed the first Free Presbyterian Church, which combined fundamentalist Protestant principles (very like those of the US Bible Belt) with a staunch Unionism and anti-Catholicism, buying into all the old Protestant myths (and the inherent Protestant feeling of superiority over the superstitious Other Lot). Small wonder that Paisley's doctor title is an honorary one from Bob Jones University - Bob Jones Sr. was as much against African-Americans as Paisley was against Catholics.

The DUP might well have had common members with the Loyalist paramilitaries such as the UDA, UVF, Red Hand Commandos, etc., but I'm aware of no formal link with any terrorist organisation.

Always good to read your NI posts tones. What do you make of this?https://www.theguardian.com/politic...military-connection-that-still-haunts-the-dup

 

[Lee T]

You are talking nonsense. If Corbyn had raised his game to the level he did during the recent election, remain would have won.

The fact of the matter is that he didn't raise his game. Why do you think that might that have been?

I suggest it is because he is and always has been anti-EU, probably because he sees it for what it actually is. He voted against membership of the Common Market, against Maastricht, and against Lisbon.

I voted leave so all good with me.

Corbyn could not have prevented Brexit no matter how hard you wish it to be, the guy is not a miracle worker.
I do feel he would have made a better job of it than May is about to though.

His target audience are not far right, he would have wanted the single market, he would also have not targeted immigrants to appease voters.

I fear May could destroy Brexit, Corbyn would at the very least, come out of it with the real best interests of the country at heart, May is only interested in self preservation, her latest coup proves as much.

 

[Rosie]

I quite the Labour Party the day Diane Abbott was appointed shadow Home Secretary and I've seen nothing to make me change my mind. corbyn is great in opposition , problem is he has always been in opposition , its where he wants to be. During the first Labour leadership contest he even said he didn't want to be Prime Minister he was running to make a point . Student Union politics , the man waving the placard .

 

[ff1d1l]

I quite the Labour Party the day Diane Abbott was appointed shadow Home Secretary and I've seen nothing to make me change my mind. corbyn is great in opposition , problem is he has always been in opposition , its where he wants to be. During the first Labour leadership contest he even said he didn't want to be Prime Minister he was running to make a point . Student Union politics , the man waving the placard .

We're a bit beyond this, surely? Still, you're entitled to your point of view...

 

[jont]

I quite the Labour Party the day Diane Abbott was appointed shadow Home Secretary and I've seen nothing to make me change my mind. corbyn is great in opposition , problem is he has always been in opposition , its where he wants to be. During the first Labour leadership contest he even said he didn't want to be Prime Minister he was running to make a point . Student Union politics , the man waving the placard .

Now here's a different and interesting point, are you saying he'd fall apart as leader if he became PM, or just resign and trigger a leadership battle..?

 

[Rosie]

I'm saying he's got what he wants. Taking charge of the Labour Party and enjoying one glorious defeat after another . It's back to Tony Benn's 6 million votes for socialism back in 83. Corbyn lost , he lost big . What are the Corbyn fans celebrating ? His leadership of the Labour Party. If the Tory's had run a competent campaign with a 3D leader things would have been very different .

 

[jont]

We're a bit beyond this, surely? Still, you're entitled to your point of view...

Comments like this are somewhat stifling and patronising and don't encourage people to have a healthy debate, just becouse you don't like what somebody else has to say.

 

[ff1d1l]

Comments like this are somewhat stifling and patronising and don't encourage people to have a healthy debate, just becouse you don't like what somebody else has to say.

^^^^This

 

[jont]

^^^^This

It's an improvement.

 

[Seanm]

I'm saying he's got what he wants. Taking charge of the Labour Party and enjoying one glorious defeat after another . It's back to Tony Benn's 6 million votes for socialism back in 83. Corbyn lost , he lost big . What are the Corbyn fans celebrating ? His leadership of the Labour Party. If the Tory's had run a competent campaign with a 3D leader things would have been very different .

But you know that he basically is prime minister?

 

[Rosie]

I beg to differ , Corbyn is not Prime Minister and it's the Conservative Party that will replace May, they just need to find someone who wants the job. There is no reason to think the DUP Tory alliance will not work just as well as the Tory LibDem coalition certainly more robust that any Lib Lab pact back in the 70's . Brexit is what will break the Tory parliamentary party despite the members support for it and it's Corbyn that will break the PLP despite the members support of him .

 

[Sue Pertwee-Tyr]

Corbyn now has two things to do. Firstly, he has to effectively and robustly oppose this current shower of a government. Secondly, he has to continue to reshape the Labour party back into a left-of-centre, socially responsible party.

He isn't PM, and it matters not whether he is PM material or not (I happen to think he'd be better than any of the current Tory front bench, but hey) because that isn't his job. What he needs to do is build on the foundations he's now laid, so that come the next election Labour can take power. Whether he is at the helm, or back in the background at that point isn't the issue right now, really.

 

[ks.234]

You are talking nonsense. If Corbyn had raised his game to the level he did during the recent election, remain would have won.

The fact of the matter is that he didn't raise his game. Why do you think that might that have been?

I suggest it is because he is and always has been anti-EU, probably because he sees it for what it actually is. He voted against membership of the Common Market, against Maastricht, and against Lisbon.

No, you're talking nonsense. Corbyn's message on EU was very clear. He is not and was not anti EU. To say Corbyn was/is anti EU is just another Daily Mail headline

 

[eternumviti]

No, you're talking nonsense. Corbyn's message on EU was very clear. He is not and was not anti EU. To say Corbyn was/is anti EU is just another Daily Mail headline

OK. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, his voting record and his clear antipathy to remain, Jeremy Corbyn is robustly pro-EU.