The main reason why I bought the place I live in, is that the living room struck me as a very good space for a naughty hi-fi. Plus, it's got a nice view. My favourite room.
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The main reason why I bought the place I live in, is that the living room struck me as a very good space for a naughty hi-fi. Plus, it's got a nice view. My favourite room.
merlin
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Remarkably similar sentiment here - except on a smaller and no doubt less costly scale.
I have a panoramic view that stretches some twenty miles or so as I listen. It's easy looking out the window to understand why people did think the earth was flat before becoming educated by science.
Pay attention...Chris Frankland demonstrated some years ago that the earth was flat.
Yeah, obviously.
That's because you have... oh, hold on, I've forgotten what it is you have, for the time being. Maybe you could remind me. Is it those awful, ported, active speakers, which are quite obviously no good at all? The ones that don't come up on wiki or Google?
Lighthearted I know and I know its bad form to come back with a sirius reply but the way threads go into old patterns hits a nerve. A lot of the problems of interacting with people online is encapsulated in this thread... FYI I've a selection of ported and unported ATC speakers. Bragging about my drivers and rooms is fun (as would be preeningly implying superiority) but I'm aware of what it took to get from there to here and what I have does not feel like mine, it is a Phyrric victory. I feel I own things I should not own. This keeps me in check.I don't mind other people's opinions on a forum or a Wiki entry or a box with some amps and speaker bits in it even if they are "WRONG, on the INTERNET". If I expended the energy folk do I'd have no energy to learn new things. Bits of me are unreachable, what is, is bleached away by medication, the sessions of ECT the dreadful urges I used to get and now the CO damage. I still feel a bit incomplete, a stranger to myself. I've been damaged but its not like visible burn marks or scars.
I like it on PFM and I stay because I remember a lot of you, I like the fun banter, but sometimes it gets a bit dark... I have nothing useful to say about HiFi, I have some really nice equipment, a lovely room, some great toys (I bought at a time I needed retail therapy) and it ought to last me until I am dead then it can be sold off or Ellie can keep it. I've no need for a CD or record player, vinyl is fiddly and implausibly fragile really... but I made a LP spinner anyway because I wanted to see if I could, it ended up sounding as good as anything out there within reason -- but I won't/don't use it to taunt other users about their turntables. It has ponies. Ponies = only thing that makes sense to me.
WRT John's comment, a factoid: I spend more on just physically scaffolding my home for two and a half years on its rebuild than I did on all my HiFi in the history of me, ever. HiFi is small money and I don't feel anything about it, I do like what it does however and thats a healthy start for a reboot. I used to have a lot of ego issues but I fight them and now its mostly just an absence I feel about it like a fridge or washing machine, its nicely made even the DIY and restored stuff. Likewise comments about rooms, I designed a lovely sounding room, but again it does not feel like I own it. So I don't feel anything other than relief that I pulled it off with insurance money and any moment it will all be taken away. Ownership is transient and Phyrric.
I have no idea why I am writing this, waiting for some PCB designs in Eagle to render in the background.
Brand consumerism gave us a nasty side effect: with ownership comes all sorts of implications and assumptions about a person and how they relate to that consumer item, what their values are and what they aspire to reflect to the outside world. Its not what we think of what we own or what we think of ourselves, its what other people impose, an assumption we encapsulate the philosophy of the brand or that which is implyingly attached to the item. That by ownership other people think we support a philosophy attached tot hat brand, sometimes we do, sometimes we don't, sometimes we once did but -- this is where discontinuities arise.
I think thats how it works. I'm probably wrong.
I think thats how it works. I'm probably wrong.
merlin
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Secure people surely are?
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
You'd think.
I can understand advocacy: 'I have these, they're great, you should try them'. I can understand defending what you've got: 'You say these are crap; I disagree, I think they're great'. What I can't understand is dismissing others' preferences/choices because they differ from your own.
merlin
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I can't either.
I sometimes wonder if it's often simply differing posting styles - those who feel the need to clarify with "IMHO" and "YMMV" etc, and those who feel no such need presuming that those sentiments are implicit in their statements.
Then of course there are the wind up merchants...
I sometimes wonder if it's often simply differing posting styles - those who feel the need to clarify with "IMHO" and "YMMV" etc, and those who feel no such need presuming that those sentiments are implicit in their statements.
Then of course there are the wind up merchants...
Paul R
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Steady on!
If that sort of heretically sensible attitude caught on generally on the internet ISPs would be dropping like flies as the number of completely pointless, futile arguments which take up half of the internet would just vanish...And then where would we be?
Overrun by kittens and porn, that's where!
Ridiculous arguments are a public service!
S-Man
StrivingON
Very naive Joe. You should know by now that the best speakers are ATCs and the best cars are BMWs. The bigger the model number, the happier the owner!
I assume that is aimed at me as Bub doesn't drive those.
I just use the stuff. Both are very nice things. I have never called BMW the best cars.
I have never called ATC the best speakers (I suspect the best ones for me sit in Real World Studio A). But my entry level car is comfy and I can do longer drives with less stress.
I fancy a drive to Real World now.
I just use the stuff. Both are very nice things. I have never called BMW the best cars.
I have never called ATC the best speakers (I suspect the best ones for me sit in Real World Studio A). But my entry level car is comfy and I can do longer drives with less stress.
I fancy a drive to Real World now.
merlin
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The crazy thing about this place and similar is that out of the billions of people on this planet alone, we are all amongst the truly tiny minority who find stereo equipment of interest.
And yet we use this platform to highlight and expose our differences rather than to embrace our similarities.
And yet we use this platform to highlight and expose our differences rather than to embrace our similarities.
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
Mike,
Of course, if the Vulcans were here we'd have no arguments at all, as they're completely logical and persuaded by evidence alone, so what works for Surak or Mr. Spock would be what works for every Vulcan.
Joe
You think we get into squabbles now, imagine if the Klingons and Tellarites were here, too. Every thread would be a pointless fight to the death!
Of course, if the Vulcans were here we'd have no arguments at all, as they're completely logical and persuaded by evidence alone, so what works for Surak or Mr. Spock would be what works for every Vulcan.
Joe
Daniel Quinn
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As far as I am aware , Real World use B&W and I blame them for the over processed lacking life of much gabriels latest out put
he should get some simple speakers and get back to simple recording . All this multi-take over processed digitally manipulated nonsense as sucked the life and emotion out of it .
S-Man
StrivingON
No, it was not aimed at anyone. Honestly it was just a feeble attempt at humour. I don't know what PFMers drive and I'm not that bothered by cars TBH.
For the record: I have nothing against ATCs, it's more the absolutist statements sometimes made about them that I find a tad ridiculous. I am not aware of you making any of these absolutist statements.