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Challenge From Harbeth - Free M40.1 For Those Who Can Identify Amplifier Differences
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Wrong only part of the world has a sense of freedom and that is an illusion.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Cowards and libels? Catastrophe? What are you on?
Click here and read the first sentence in my reply to Rob from a different thread. It wasn't the first time I said this either, click here as well. (The second is better than the first imo)
I don't make extravagant claims of how I hear differences between various components so I've nothing to prove to anyone and I don't hide from anything. I hear no difference between putting my stuff on an equipment support versus on the floor, for example. In fact there is a whole list of stuff I've been unable to hear any difference between when I've got my eyes wide open and staring at the things, what would be the point in me taking part in a blind listening test to get the same result I get when it's not a blind listening test?
I'm not discrediting the test by the way, it's done that all by itself by the number of caveats attached.
Aah, so it's a different Brian who said "obvious publicity stunt" and "I'm not discrediting the test by the way, it's done that all by itself by the number of caveats attached" - the latter from your last post.
Admit it, you want to discredit the test and are hoping that by blowing the "number of caveats" disinformation you can avoid the obvious truth, which is you're afraid to take it.
Admit it, you want to discredit the test and are hoping that by blowing the "number of caveats" disinformation you can avoid the obvious truth, which is you're afraid to take it.
Oh, don't you worry, the Electrocompaniet will be on the market if I can't hear differences.
Are you coming over to take the test? I asked you before, but can't remember seeing a reply.
dave
Plywood King
Nope, if I could afford a trip to the UK it wouldn't be for "testing" a hifi;-)
Personally, I'd be wary of parlour tricks. You better perform some other long-term tests before "moving towards the light" selling off the Electrocompaniet.
darrylfunk
Banned
but dave i did sell off my naims and brought three used studio amps for £75 each to make an active system.
my whole amp rack costs less than one hi cap or one of those mystic mains leads.
it sounds better than the hobbled naim system i had.
dave
Plywood King
Studio amps don't count Darryl even at 75 bucks as they're potentially more robust than a cheap AV receiver. Nice try though.
pure sound
Trade: manufacturer/distributor
HiFi Choice used to conduct a great number of blind, level matched listening tests on amplifiers.
It was not unusual for there to be a qualitative range covering the group under test with (subjectively) stronger and weaker performers as well as plenty which were very similar to one another. It was also not unusual for an amplifier to be re-introduced later in the day and be readily identified as one which had been played earlier. There was also very little correlation between the extensive measurements that Paul Miller made of each amp and the subjective preferences of the listening panel. Amplifiers that appeared to be absolutely average by their measured spec could be universally liked or disliked and amplifiers that appeared to be very well or poorly engineered could also be liked or disliked.
The speakers used were not challenging as a load and the levels chosen were always well within the operating range in which the amplifiers could be expected to function properly.
It was not unusual for there to be a qualitative range covering the group under test with (subjectively) stronger and weaker performers as well as plenty which were very similar to one another. It was also not unusual for an amplifier to be re-introduced later in the day and be readily identified as one which had been played earlier. There was also very little correlation between the extensive measurements that Paul Miller made of each amp and the subjective preferences of the listening panel. Amplifiers that appeared to be absolutely average by their measured spec could be universally liked or disliked and amplifiers that appeared to be very well or poorly engineered could also be liked or disliked.
The speakers used were not challenging as a load and the levels chosen were always well within the operating range in which the amplifiers could be expected to function properly.
Find me a 100 dollar receiver that has the robustness, reliability, power output and distortion performance of my $500 Quad 909 and I will (oh, and just in case it goes wrong, a maintenance facility with a "while-u-wait-when-possible" policy, only a car-drive away).
darrylfunk
Banned
so you are changing the rules again.....no surprises.
looks like we'll be holding our breath again for a subjectivist to put them self to a test.....
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dave
Plywood King
I doubt you'll find one of those Plutox -might wanna keep what you've got;-)
dave
Plywood King
Rule change? Where? Mr Shaw hasn't specified much other than a competent amplifier operating within parameters. This should include most AV receivers on the market at any price.
I would think a true objectivist would purchase whatever met the requirement and waste no more money with the superfluous especially if he's trying to make a point. He would certainly be more convincing. Do you disagree with this?
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Elephantears
Trunkated Aesthete
How many times do I have to write that I want to take this test very much. And yet the so called 'objectivists' keep coming out with this 'put your money where your mouth is' bravado.
The only help I have had so far is the suggestion of a SPL measuring device on Amazon. Thanks for that. I don't know if that would suffice within the terms of the test, so I'd like to find a proper way of matching gain if anyone can give me advice. As I've said I am a non-technical music lover. Perhaps the reason for the wall of silence from the so called 'objectivists', who need to spend a bit more time on the 'music' section of the forum, I think.
dave
Plywood King
I suppose it depends on how you define competent (and a new can of worms.)
darrylfunk
Banned
dave, what is the problem you have with people not using naim gear?
i swapped out because i got better music.
i have no problem with mr shaw.
darrylfunk
Banned
err! who is offering this test!!!??? i think you are on the wrong website.
no free speakers here!!!
dave
Plywood King
I have no problem with folks not using Naim gear or Mr. Shaw. I own and use gear not made by Naim and have nothing but respect for designers such as Mr. Shaw.
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