Brexit: give me a positive effect... VII

[stephen bennett]

Didn’t Johnson say no deal would be ‘a failure of statecraft’?

So can we expect his resignation on Monday?

No deal lets Starmer off the hook though.

Stephen

 

[Space is the Place]

I'm still bob on, from March 2019

No Deal (nearly there)

Resignation.(done)

Tory Leadership Battle.(done)

Johnson wins, with Gove, Lord Snooty and the rest of the multimillionarses as his deputies.(done)

Britain becomes tin pot nostalgic dictatorship.(done)

Starts war with country it knows it can beat.(why would you spend 16 billion pounds otherwise?)

 

[andrewd]

The rebranding of no deal to ‘Australia deal’ is classic Dom

 

[claire.foxx]

The idea that the trade agreement isn't right for the country, that all prior agreements were not right, but crashing out into a no deal is somehow "right" instead is going to need unpicking.

They were only ever wanting a crash out, that was the plan all along.

 

[Nick_G]

But you didn't, you cant turn back the clock, remainers told you it would happen. You went ahead anyway dismissing it as Project Fear.

Own it, suffer for it. Project Fear turned out to be Project "you were warned".

Focus on the now, not the could have been.

Project Fear has become Project Here.

 

[Colin Barron]

The European Union's GDP was estimated to be $18.8 trillion (nominal) in 2018,[25] representing about 22% of the global economy.

UK GDP $2.638 trillion (nominal; 2020 3.3% of world GDP.[38]

There must be several nations who see EU no deal tariffs as an opportunity.

 

[Sue Pertwee-Tyr]

Bang on. If we’d left on the Monday morning after the ref, yes there would have been short term frustrations but we’d be in a hell of a lot better place now. The result shocked the bureaucrats and VI’s and time has given them opportunity to frustrate. Hell, they gave it their best shot to reverse the decision. The EU’s key objective now is to make Brexit as unpleasant as possible. They can’t risk another net cash contributor country leaving (not that there are many). If France went, It would leave Germany footing the whole bill. The rest are economic basket cases.

OK, so assume you just crash out the following day. Cancel all connections, membership of EU groups, etc. Then what?

Well, no flights to or from Europe, or anywhere else for that matter, because the aircraft certification, and the flight crew licenses are no longer valid. Anywhere.

And if we’ve dumped out of Euratom, we probably can’t get medical isotopes for radiotherapy, or probably anything else, like nuclear fuel (certification again, I think).

And no co-ordination of cross border crime detection and law enforcement, so no way to check if anybody presenting at the borders is on a watch list, for example. Not that there will be many of them - no planes, remember?

And that’s just for starters. Anybody arguing we could and should have just walked away the following day, simply displays how shallow their thinking is.

 

[Nick_G]

OK, so assume you just crash out the following day. Cancel all connections, membership of EU groups, etc. Then what?

Well, no flights to or from Europe, or anywhere else for that matter, because the aircraft certification, and the flight crew licenses are no longer valid. Anywhere.

And if we’ve dumped out of Euratom, we probably can’t get medical isotopes for radiotherapy, or probably anything else, like nuclear fuel (certification again, I think).

And no co-ordination of cross border crime detection and law enforcement, so no way to check if anybody presenting at the borders is on a watch list, for example. Not that there will be many of them - no planes, remember?

And that’s just for starters. Anybody arguing we could and should have just walked away the following day, simply displays how shallow their thinking is.

I'm afraid you're dealing with an agent of CHAOS. You can't convince them to look at this rationally. It's a waste of time.

 

[Sonority]

Aside from all of these arguments, posts here and everything else 'Brexit' a hell of o lot of businesses are taking huge hits - this on top of Covid.
Try to deal with HMRC (want a real headache - try sorting VAT & Duty deferment) carriers (realistically, you need to nominate one and stick with them to make inputs for clearance - either that or you have a class one honours in patience and understanding of looking through opaque glass)
This makes a real mess for those who had 'carriage paid' status with suppliers, as they now have zero option on who to use, and they will automatically add freight costs or say you pay the lot from here on in.
Dont even go to how long it will take to replace stock, or its costs moving forward.
I, personally, am utterly sick to death of the entire thing.
Yes, it needs to be done, but after 40+ years of business ownership, I cannot be positive in any way, shape or form about any of it.
Going into work on Monday will either show a decent profit uptake with the value of Sterling rising, (even back to 1.18 Euro/£ would be very nice) or a shite christmas as the £ tanks into freefall, which, being honest, appears likely.
To those saying "it will all be fine" well, considering it has not been for so long, and we are staring at the biggest downturn in 300yrs, how to be even remotely positive.
Forget the posturing, soundbites, if we had only done this, own it stuff.
This is real and happening and affecting millions of us already.
A deal would help (massively) but all this messing about has cost so much, both monetarily and health wise.

 

[Tony L]

Brexit, where we are right now (Twitter).

 

[tuga]

There will be a deal in December, i thought i had mentioned it.

Pray tell, is it a no-deal deal?

 

[Sue Pertwee-Tyr]

Pray tell, is is a no-deal deal?

It’s the Australia deal, or possibly the Antarctica deal?

 

[Ponty]

OK, so assume you just crash out the following day. Cancel all connections, membership of EU groups, etc. Then what?

Well, no flights to or from Europe, or anywhere else for that matter, because the aircraft certification, and the flight crew licenses are no longer valid. Anywhere.

And if we’ve dumped out of Euratom, we probably can’t get medical isotopes for radiotherapy, or probably anything else, like nuclear fuel (certification again, I think).

And no co-ordination of cross border crime detection and law enforcement, so no way to check if anybody presenting at the borders is on a watch list, for example. Not that there will be many of them - no planes, remember?

And that’s just for starters. Anybody arguing we could and should have just walked away the following day, simply displays how shallow their thinking is.

Triggered Article 50 on the Monday morning. Planes wouldn’t have fallen out of the sky.

 

[Nick_G]

It’s the Australia deal, or possibly the Antarctica deal?

It's the Narnia Deal.

 

[Sue Pertwee-Tyr]

Triggered Article 50 on the Monday morning. Planes wouldn’t have fallen out of the sky.

So when you said:

If we’d left on the Monday morning after the ref, yes there would have been short term frustrations but we’d be in a hell of a lot better place now.

you meant, start the leaving process, not actually do the leaving?

So what ‘short term frustrations’ would have gone to pass if we’d immediately invoked Art 50? You see, I’m still convinced you meant ‘crash out’ not ‘start the crashing out process’ as you’re pretending now.

 

[kabayiri]

The comparative performance of the two currencies tells you something. I thought you were a business expert and share tipster? Everyone knows where responsibility for this lies. It’s English right wing nationalism and you’re picking up the bill now.

So you lay no blame at the door of a poor; some would say shambolic; Remain campaign?

The majority of the voters sit in the middle ground, not at the far right end, and not at the socialist warrior end. I am not sure they had enough numbers to determine a one person one vote referendum.

Remain's campaign was essentially "it's as good as it gets, right now". If your neighbourhood has been through half a dozen years of austerity and cuts, it's not exactly a big upsell is it?

I still think Remain lost it, and Corbyn going AWOL was frankly embarassing.

 

[timH]

There must be several nations who see EU no deal tariffs as an opportunity.

Eh?

 

[claire.foxx]

The majority of the voters sit in the middle ground, not at the far right end, and not at the socialist warrior end.

...the way it works is the majority of the people ideologically in “the middle” voted for the far right endgame... that’s why the most dangerous of all people are the comfy middle ground (who look the other way when anything nasty happens). This is why it is all sliding to the far right. In spite of — and because of — socialist “warriors”. The middle is now the right. The right is now the far right. The left are, if anything aligned with the liberally conservative. Socialist warriors are rare boogeymen, used to frighten pretty much everyone and are rare throwbacks to a language of politics no one in the UK has the stomach for.

Corbin wasn’t a Marxist, then or now — he’s a very moderate centrist and even that was too much for most ppl fed BBC images of him in front of a pasted-in Kremlin and a photoshopped red army hat.

 

[Brian]

Can someone explain how retaining 50% of the trade deals that we already have as an EU member is in any way a ‘Brexit positive?’

Taking the worst case Brexit scenario and Liz Truss-ing it up is not a positive.

Stephen

I doubt anyone can. Who said it was? Truss?

 

[Colin Barron]

Pray tell, is it a no-deal deal?

I was waiting for your post.
There will be a deal i am 90% certain. That 10% doubt is due i think to the EU not believing that Boris will go for no deal.