I own AVI Lab series separates and read the negativity of those who are negative towards AVI.
I heard the Lab series and decided it was more enjoyable than the Cyrus gear I was putting up with so I bought it. Many people raved about Cyrus which just didn't do it for me.
I later encountered forum opinions. They make me smile
According to AVI themselves you are using legacy kit that offers 1 three thousandth the performance of the active monitors ...
Here are my reasons for buying AVI:There are a number of AVI owners posting in this thread. Did they buy AVI equipment without being able to recognize the form of the marketing or being exposed to criticisms of the marketing? My suspicion remains that some, perhaps many, knew the form of the marketing but it didn't put them off. Why not?
Wow! I did not expect the AVI DM10 Active system to cause such different reactions and emotions. Please correct me if I am misunderstood but why do some persons regard Ashley James as arrogant? What I detect is a person who is passionate about music, has specific ways of creating Active systems and is capable of explaining his reasonings. Not only that he is willing to prove his audio beliefs via his input with the AVI DM10 active system which is priced at a fraction of the cost of an average active system. A system which has had encouraging reactions from users and one professional reviewer. Do I want to be part of it if I like the sonics - of course I do! Getting an active system able to play well all my genres of music in a medium size room involving less boxes and at a practical cost... whats there not to like..! Normally I would have to spend approx £5,000.00 - £8000.00 for a decent upgrade with some one like Naim Audio with passive speakers and that would be called a beginners system on the nursery slopes...? I am looking for a kind soul who lives in Devon and has a AVI DM10. I will bring wine,beer and light refreshments for exchange to listen to his or her's system.
I didn't say I disliked them I simply pointed out that speakers with higher technical performance exist for significantly less money to counter claims about high performance and high value. But technical performance and value for my money are only two factors in why people opt for the speakers they do and it was interesting to know yours. Thanks.I am now a very happy owner of both the DM5s and the DM10 2.1 system. I respect other peoples opinions if for whatever reason you dislike them, but to my ears they are the perfect speakers. Even if I win the lottery I would not consider parting with them.
You consider the dishonest marketing to be irrelevant to the product? As a non-technical person you recognize that you have no reliable information about the technical performance of the product, you can see one or two more technical people are less than enthusiastic but this is not a concern because the speakers seem fine to you? If a company is dishonest in one area of activity wouldn't it be reasonable to expect it in others? What type of support would you expect if your speakers develop problems and how reliable do you expect the products from a tiny under resourced setup like AVI to be?As for AVI marketing?
Who cares? Not me. I'm only interested in the product that I'm buying which in the case of the DM5s and DM10s are ideal for me.
To my ears the DM10 sound better than every other speaker that I've ever heard (passive and active systems costing upto £10k from ATC, PMC, Genelec and many more). This to me is the only thing that matters.I didn't say I disliked them I simply pointed out that speakers with higher technical performance exist for significantly less money to counter claims about high performance and high value. But technical performance and value for my money are only two factors in why people opt for the speakers they do and it was interesting to know yours. Thanks.
There may be the odd exception to this but as far as I'm aware most speaker manufacturers don't provide much useful technical performance measurements other than very basic stuff like quoting 50Hz-20khz frequency range (sometimes without even mentioning the +/-dB range). So in this respect AVI is no different to most other manufacturers.You consider the dishonest marketing to be irrelevant to the product? As a non-technical person you recognize that you have no reliable information about the technical performance of the product, you can see one or two more technical people are less than enthusiastic but this is not a concern because the speakers seem fine to you? If a company is dishonest in one area of activity wouldn't it be reasonable to expect it in others? What type of support would you expect if your speakers develop problems and how reliable do you expect the products from a tiny under resourced setup like AVI to be?
I didn't say I disliked them I simply pointed out that speakers with higher technical performance exist for significantly less money to counter claims about high performance and high value. But technical performance and value for my money are only two factors in why people opt for the speakers they do and it was interesting to know yours. Thanks.
You consider the dishonest marketing to be irrelevant to the product? As a non-technical person you recognize that you have no reliable information about the technical performance of the product, you can see one or two more technical people are less than enthusiastic but this is not a concern because the speakers seem fine to you? If a company is dishonest in one area of activity wouldn't it be reasonable to expect it in others? What type of support would you expect if your speakers develop problems and how reliable do you expect the products from a tiny under resourced setup like AVI to be?
Hmmm... It is a tiny 2 way with a 5" midwoofer, 1" tweeter on a flat baffle, 8th order crossover,... Even if it was the best example of it's kind (the flat baffle and 8th order crossover suggest otherwise) it has far too little cone area to cleanly reproduce lower frequency transients in a room at standard listening levels. Now some people are weakly constrained by price but strongly constrained by the size of the speakers and to listening at only quiet sound levels. For such people the speaker may fit their requirements well but without those constraints the driver configuration would seem to be inappropriate.To my ears the DM10 sound better than every other speaker that I've ever heard (passive and active systems costing upto £10k from ATC, PMC, Genelec and many more). This to me is the only thing that matters.
If AVI were to make a speaker that looked a good fit for my requirements I wouldn't consider risking significant sums of my money doing business with them because the dishonest marketing has lost my trust. I don't know everything there is to know about the speaker and the company behind it but if they conduct themselves in an honest way I will have more confidence in what I am being told about the product, the design and manufacture of the product, the support from the company should it be needed,...As for their method of advertising. That's no concern of mine. I'm only interested in what the speakers sound like.
Instead of mentioning claims in general, please tell us exactly what it is that AVI is alleged to be dishonest. What is it so terrible that AVI is supposed to have done..?
This is why I use the AVI 10" subwoofer together with the DM10s (which use a 6.5" woofer not 5" one BTW). The AVI 10" subwoofer integrates totally seamlessly with the DM10s and turns them into a full range system down to below 30Hz. That's plenty low enough for me.Hmmm... It is a tiny 2 way with a 5" midwoofer, 1" tweeter on a flat baffle, 8th order crossover,... Even if it was the best example of it's kind (the flat baffle and 8th order crossover suggest otherwise) it has far too little cone area to cleanly reproduce lower frequency transients in a room at standard listening levels. Now some people are weakly constrained by price but strongly constrained by the size of the speakers and to listening at only quiet sound levels. For such people the speaker may fit their requirements well but without those constraints the driver configuration would seem to be inappropriate.
Ash has always seemed like a good and honest person to me (although I can see why he rubs so many people up the wrong way). As for his after sales service - well he's always promptly answered my many hifi related questions and helped me out in this way several times over the years for which I am thankful. His advice has also saved me a small fortune too.If AVI were to make a speaker that looked a good fit for my requirements I wouldn't consider risking significant sums of my money doing business with them because the dishonest marketing has lost my trust. I don't know everything there is to know about the speaker and the company behind it but if they conduct themselves in an honest way I will have more confidence in what I am being told about the product, the design and manufacture of the product, the support from the company should it be needed,...
When it comes to marketing we expect a company to dwell on the relative strengths of their products and say little about their relative weaknesses. We only tend to expect balance from independent third parties which are few and far between when it comes to home audio. So there is a line between what is considered an acceptably biased representation and what is not and that line is going to be different for different people. People's responses are also going to be different when the line is crossed. Some may take a moral position and not consider doing business with people/companies they consider to be dishonest but I suspect most, myself included, would consider the risk of doing business.
Now you state you do not care about the marketing but is this because you consider what is going on to be acceptable in this day and age and that the company has not crossed the line. Or do you consider the company to have crossed the line but that this does not alter the value of the product to you in any significant way.
To flesh things out with an example, having read the posts from the OP do you think it likely these are coming from a consuming audiophile like yourself or from someone marketing AVI products? Your comments above suggest you are not overly concerned which is fair enough but it would be interesting to know what you see in the posts and how it relates to that line.
Wow! I did not expect the AVI DM10 Active system to cause such different reactions and emotions.
I find it genuinely difficult to believe that you were unaware of the inbuilt anti-AVI bias on PFM .
I think you're just trying to scrape a scab tbh.